Op-ed "Should ATL's HBCUs merge into a superschool?"

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Thanks..In the context of this discussion, I have to stand by what I wrote about the likelihood of free ride offers to int. students coming from universities with large endowments and /or resources. Howard U. is not currently in that situation. Perhaps they did fund a scholarship for the Trini student mentioned earlier in the thread. More than likely not, and it was from a private party .

I already asked. :francis:


I'm sure that the Trini school system produces stellar young scholars. However, I don't think that smaller US schools including HBCUs, would greatly benefit from recruiting, and footing the bill, for international students. I think they would get a better return by recruiting Black students in America , and in state who attended parochial or private schools.

"A better return" depends a lot on how forward thinking these administrations are versus hard performance numbers from potential freshmen. I have no doubt that the funding that influences such decisions are playing off one vs the other.

I follow track and field, and I know about US schools heavily recruiting T&T runners. That country loves track and field, best athletes are routed into it, English speaking country, rigorous school system.

Perspectives are interesting...because to me we're not even that great at it lol. Jamaica runs track and field recruitment opportunities, nobody else in the Caribbean comes close. Trinbago people are more likely to be football fiends than track & field.
 

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I already asked. :francis:




"A better return" depends a lot on how forward thinking these administrations are versus hard performance numbers from potential freshmen. I have no doubt that the funding that influences such decisions are playing off one vs the other.

Again, recruiting in-state or in-region students from magnet,private,parochial schools is a better approach than recruiting and paying for international students. Local students as Americans are eligible for federal financial aid and loans.Also reasonable to assume that local students will work in the area post graduation , remain active in alumni/fundraising/booster activities, and make up the next generation of grad assistants, professors, researchers, and admin. at that institution.



Perspectives are interesting...because to me we're not even that great at it lol. Jamaica runs track and field recruitment opportunities, nobody else in the Caribbean comes close. Trinbago people are more likely to be football fiends than track & field.
Atto Bolden's career and visibility as a broadcaster has helped highlight the Trini presence in NCAA track world.I'm certain that he is among the most popular and beloved sports figures from that country. Perhaps one of the most accomplished.

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I'm sure that cricket and soccer are popular in T&T. But the Trini presence in NCAA track programs has been growing for decades now. From athletes to administrators and coaches now.
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That came out of nowhere for me, I was impressed and skeptical about it at the same time. It wouldn't surprise me that they have a Bahamian in their admin staff.
You were right about the connection.

Shortly after the hurricane devastated the Bahamas, the university announced it would offer free enrollment as well as room and board to University of Bahamas students. Hampton University President William Harvey confirmed the details of the agreement, which he said he brokered with University of Bahamas President Rodney Smith, who was formerly the vice president of Hampton University.
 

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State‌ ‌approves‌ ‌Morris‌ ‌Brown‌ ‌College‌ ‌as‌ ‌institute‌ ‌of‌ ‌higher‌ ‌learning‌ ‌
| October 11, 2019

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After many years, Morris Brown College has been approved as an institute of higher learning from the Georgia Nonpublic Postsecondary Education Commission (GNPEC), which authorizes and regulates the operations of in-state nonpublic and out-of-state postsecondary colleges and schools operating or offering instruction in Georgia.

“This is a gigantic first step in our road to full accreditation,” said Dr. Kevin James, interim president of Morris Brown College. “We are on a positive path to resurrecting this historic black college back to prominence and creating an environment in which students will receive an education that is held in high regard. We are now in search of significant donors to pour into our institution now that we have this momentum.”

Bishop Reginald T. Jackson, chairman of the Board of Trustees, and bishop of the 6th Episcopal District of the African Methodist Episcopal Church says the state’s approval is a clear sign that Morris Brown College is headed in the right direction and gaining momentum for its future.

“I am extremely pleased with the process we have gone through and that GNPEC has recognized that we are on solid ground as an institute of higher learning,” said Jackson. “Dr. James, the Board and the administration are commended for navigating our school through this challenging process. Dr. James has provided bold leadership to address problems at Morris Brown College.”

For the past six months, the college has simultaneously worked on completing its application for recognition by GNPEC and the accreditation agency, Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools (TRACS), while also working to raise funds for the school, and while working to get its facilities in order.

Earlier this year Morris Brown College officially became a correspondence school with the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools (TRACS), which means the college has been officially approved to start the process to become accredited
 

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State‌ ‌approves‌ ‌Morris‌ ‌Brown‌ ‌College‌ ‌as‌ ‌institute‌ ‌of‌ ‌higher‌ ‌learning‌ ‌
| October 11, 2019

Staff Report | The Atlanta Voice
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After many years, Morris Brown College has been approved as an institute of higher learning from the Georgia Nonpublic Postsecondary Education Commission (GNPEC), which authorizes and regulates the operations of in-state nonpublic and out-of-state postsecondary colleges and schools operating or offering instruction in Georgia.

“This is a gigantic first step in our road to full accreditation,” said Dr. Kevin James, interim president of Morris Brown College. “We are on a positive path to resurrecting this historic black college back to prominence and creating an environment in which students will receive an education that is held in high regard. We are now in search of significant donors to pour into our institution now that we have this momentum.”

Bishop Reginald T. Jackson, chairman of the Board of Trustees, and bishop of the 6th Episcopal District of the African Methodist Episcopal Church says the state’s approval is a clear sign that Morris Brown College is headed in the right direction and gaining momentum for its future.

“I am extremely pleased with the process we have gone through and that GNPEC has recognized that we are on solid ground as an institute of higher learning,” said Jackson. “Dr. James, the Board and the administration are commended for navigating our school through this challenging process. Dr. James has provided bold leadership to address problems at Morris Brown College.”

For the past six months, the college has simultaneously worked on completing its application for recognition by GNPEC and the accreditation agency, Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools (TRACS), while also working to raise funds for the school, and while working to get its facilities in order.

Earlier this year Morris Brown College officially became a correspondence school with the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools (TRACS), which means the college has been officially approved to start the process to become accredited



this is great news.
they still have a ton of work to do, but its good to see Dr.James actually making progress.
 

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State‌ ‌approves‌ ‌Morris‌ ‌Brown‌ ‌College‌ ‌as‌ ‌institute‌ ‌of‌ ‌higher‌ ‌learning‌ ‌
| October 11, 2019

Staff Report | The Atlanta Voice
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After many years, Morris Brown College has been approved as an institute of higher learning from the Georgia Nonpublic Postsecondary Education Commission (GNPEC), which authorizes and regulates the operations of in-state nonpublic and out-of-state postsecondary colleges and schools operating or offering instruction in Georgia.

“This is a gigantic first step in our road to full accreditation,” said Dr. Kevin James, interim president of Morris Brown College. “We are on a positive path to resurrecting this historic black college back to prominence and creating an environment in which students will receive an education that is held in high regard. We are now in search of significant donors to pour into our institution now that we have this momentum.”

Bishop Reginald T. Jackson, chairman of the Board of Trustees, and bishop of the 6th Episcopal District of the African Methodist Episcopal Church says the state’s approval is a clear sign that Morris Brown College is headed in the right direction and gaining momentum for its future.

“I am extremely pleased with the process we have gone through and that GNPEC has recognized that we are on solid ground as an institute of higher learning,” said Jackson. “Dr. James, the Board and the administration are commended for navigating our school through this challenging process. Dr. James has provided bold leadership to address problems at Morris Brown College.”

For the past six months, the college has simultaneously worked on completing its application for recognition by GNPEC and the accreditation agency, Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools (TRACS), while also working to raise funds for the school, and while working to get its facilities in order.

Earlier this year Morris Brown College officially became a correspondence school with the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools (TRACS), which means the college has been officially approved to start the process to become accredited



How did I miss this!? This is such a blessing for MBC!

MBC is extremely missed.
 

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Ha, watching this on amazon now had me find this thread. I’ve been shyt on from SOHH to the coli for years for talking about how HBCU’s need to merge, people have taken it as anti-HBCU. But the reality is between poor finances, not putting out a competitive product which leads to little ROI for many of its grads, poor or lagging facilities, and an inability to compete for top black students - both due to access to more mainstream institutions as well as not being able to offer competitive financial packages, it’s time to consider a new path forward for these institutions. Consolidation should have been considered starting in the 90’s, but heading into the 20’s...it’s a red alert.

Having said all that, Spelman is not one that should be folded in, Spelman, Howard, Fisk, Hampton, Xavier, and Morehouse are school banners that should remain. If Clark were united with Morehouse to create a more competitive, financially prudent university, I’m sorry, but it should keep the Morehouse name.
 
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Also, what do you think can be done to increase interest and enrollment at HBCUs?
You need the ones that produce strong grads and provide opportunity to enter into competitive workforces to really work on their branding and perception amongst the general public. Sure a hiring manager at some company knows that they’re getting a good grad when they hire from Howard, but no reason some black high school kid in TV Show X can’t drop that they’re going to Howard and get the :gladbron: reaction in the same way we’ve beat it into society to react that way to Harvard, Princeton, Stanford and the such

Secondly is consolidation - both to help with costs of running a school, but make it easier to secure funds and donations. This will also help with facilities, this shyt matters when you’re competing against schools that are always building or updating campuses



And of course it helps in allowing schools to offer better financial aid packages. I also think as part of the reparations talk, automatic student loan forgiveness for ADOS grads of HBCUs would be an incentive. They have these programs already set up for people who go into certain lines of public service, some say your work in the public sector for 3-5 years, pay toward your loan for those years, and the rest is forgiven. We should do that for HBCU grads, pay toward your loan for five years, keep it in good standing, and have the balance forgiven.


Third, specialization. Creating schools that do 2-4 things well vs granting degrees in 30 disciplines that they have half assed commitments to would go a long way.

Lastly, people won’t like this one, but it kinds plays into my first point about prestige...we need a class of schools that take basically the best. Then you create descending cohorts. I’ll be honest and admit, I did a semester exchange at Howard and enjoyed my time socially, but was turned off by the wide range of students there that held back learning and or drug down the quality and challenge of the instruction. If you want to lure your best talent back to HBCU’s, there have to be a few where the academic environment is top notch.


But in general, I think the multiculturalism of America, and failure of modern parents to teach black history and make black pride a central part of conversation at home, has eroded the collective black identity. These have removed HBCU culture from wider AfrAm culture therefore a lot of black kids have zero knowledge of or affinity for HBCUs.

Sorry if there are crazy typos in this. On my phone and I’m not going back to correc this long ass post lol
 

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A Different World was a huge shot in the arm for HBCUs as well. Need more promotion like that nowadays (not a wack ass reality TV minstrel show either).

:salute: Pill Cosby always for that shyt.
In general the whole pro black music movement of the early 90’s helped as well. I remember Will Smith, Queen Latifah, Martin all rocking HBCU sweatshirts in their shows...when black culture was for and by us
 

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Ha, watching this on amazon now had me find this thread. I’ve been shyt on from SOHH to the coli for years for talking about how HBCU’s need to merge, people have taken it as anti-HBCU. But the reality is between poor finances, not putting out a competitive product which leads to little ROI for many of its grads, poor or lagging facilities, and an inability to compete for top black students - both due to access to more mainstream institutions as well as not being able to offer competitive financial packages, it’s time to consider a new path forward for these institutions. Consolidation should have been considered starting in the 90’s, but heading into the 20’s...it’s a red alert.

Having said all that, Spelman is not one that should be folded in, Spelman, Howard, Fisk, Hampton, Xavier, and Morehouse are school banners that should remain. If Clark were united with Morehouse to create a more competitive, financially prudent university, I’m sorry, but it should keep the Morehouse name.


Consolidation might have started in the 1990s if A Different World hadn't given HBCUs a boost in enrollment. I've never seen the actual numbers, but people from the Northeast who would have gone to school in-state were enrolling in droves to HBCUs. I'm sure applications from other parts of the country increased also.
 

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Consolidation might have started in the 1990s if A Different World hadn't given HBCUs a boost in enrollment. I've never seen the actual numbers, but people from the Northeast who would have gone to school in-state were enrolling in droves to HBCUs. I'm sure applications from other parts of the country increased also.

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