Only PG Better Than Kyrie Irving

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These nikkas are delusional. In the real world Rose is on the same level as Westbrook.

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You think Derek Rose would be shooting 42% playing with the best scorer in basketball. The amount of single coverage rose would get, would make OKC a dynasty.

D rose with KD beats Miami last year, and dallas 2 years before.
 

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Rose keeps every single PG he's faced in front of him and contests their shot. nikkas gassed on steal numbers really? AI lead the league in steals, was he a great defender? No.

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Where did I mention steals? Rose is a solid defender, but he is far from elite. Hinrich is an elite defender. Rose is not.
 

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Kyrie cannot be better than D. Rose when he's regarded as one of the worst defenders at his position.

Basketball is played on both ends.

yeah, that was last year...kyrie's improved on D. those same advanced stats that said kyrie was the worst defender in the L now ranks him in the top 100. not great, but not terrible.
 

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this cant even be entertained since you refuse to give Wall the same cover.

wall is ass and out of the conversation COMPLETELY. you really need to stop shoehorning that dude into stuff. he terrible in halfcourt and awful without the ball in his hands.

even ty lawson has learned how to score other than RUN FAST FOR A LAYUP.
 

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Rose keeps every single PG he's faced in front of him and contests their shot. nikkas gassed on steal numbers really? AI lead the league in steals, was he a great defender? No.

Bruh stop it.Steph curry and monta ellis destroyed that nikka in golden state the last 2 years both games rose was gettin exposed so much thibs kept switching him.Ellis was killin that nikka off the ball curry in pick n rolls

Rose defense is average AT BEST
 

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he terrible in halfcourt and awful without the ball in his hands.
hasnt been in his return, unfortunately.

And he is a point guard, I want the ball in his hand.

even ty lawson has learned how to score other than RUN FAST FOR A LAYUP.
he has to improve his jumper, but his court vision, playmaking ability, and defense>>Kyrie's


Kyrie is clearly a better scorer and has better handles, but Wall has him in those other categories.

And no, you cannot use the wack teammates excuse. I remember you saying number one picks are supposed to improve the team, etc.


And you should not be shoehorning Kyrie in any conversation with the best point guards in the NBA. He is nowhere near there yet. He isnt better than Jrue Holliday (and thats not a diss of Kyrie, Jrue is good).
 

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that's an eternity in NBA years. today he's no where near that level anymore. Hinrich was best known for giving wade problems
Hinrich used to defend Pierce well too. He used to be able to guard anyone from 1 to 3 effectively.
 

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Where did I mention steals? Rose is a solid defender, but he is far from elite. Hinrich is an elite defender. Rose is not.

Yeah, you don't know what the fukk you're talking about

yeah, that was last year...kyrie's improved on D. those same advanced stats that said kyrie was the worst defender in the L now ranks him in the top 100. not great, but not terrible.

I've watched him this year, and he's still no where close to Rose on the defensive end. That could be because he seems to get frustrated with his team and not give a fukk. But that doesn't impact Wall who's also great defensively at PG who's on a shytty team.
 

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hasnt been in his return, unfortunately.

And he is a point guard, I want the ball in his hand.

it's gon have to be this way, because he can't play any other way.

he has to improve his jumper, but his court vision, playmaking ability, and defense>>Kyrie's

i don't agree...2 more dimes ain't gonna make me agree to this, ESPECIALLY given the fact that wall runs the pick and roll like tyrus thomas playing PG. no sir...he run fast and kicks out or he runs fast and drops it off...that's his "vision"...that's his "playmaking"...that ain't nothing special. that ain't controlling pace...that running around and acting stupid, tryna make things happen.

Kyrie is clearly a better scorer and has better handles, but Wall has him in those other categories.

nah, he don't.

And no, you cannot use the wack teammates excuse. I remember you saying number one picks are supposed to improve the team, etc.

they are...cleveland improved a lot last year. the set back a little this year 'cause they dropped vets. hey, dogg...KD and Bron ain't make the postseason their first couple years either.

but, real talk, dogg...wall gotta LOT of catching up to do before i entertain this comparison. i'm off that. rose i obviously discuss...cause he a beast. john wall is elite in name only and his name dropping weight by the SECOND. his rep is fading. he can't live off that no more. when he run a team methodically, calling his own plays, stop shooting Guatemalan GDP numbers from 3, learn some pick and roll, get a 15-18 footer, improve his footwork and hit GWs on the reguarly...we'll rap.
 

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Yeah, you don't know what the fukk you're talking about



I've watched him this year, and he's still no where close to Rose on the defensive end. That could be because he seems to get frustrated with his team and not give a fukk. But that doesn't impact Wall who's also great defensively at PG who's on a shytty team.

wall great on D now? when that happen?
 
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