Only 17% Of Black Students In Maryland School District Scored Proficient In Math

[badtguy]

I actually grew up in the Maryland school system a long time ago.

And in the middle of the left side, they put me - the sole "advanced" black kid.

I always wondered how this could happen to a lot of my friends. Here's my thoughts:
1) While we were touted as being in the richest majority Black area on earth, many of the Blacks weren't "generationally wealthy" like their White counterparts. Many were trying to "keep up with the Joneses" and were one emergency away from financial ruin, with no family to lean on when when/if said crisis happened.
2) Many of these upper middle class Blacks had extensive familial, friendship and cultural ties with lower class Blacks in close proximity in the poorer parts of Maryland and DC. Sometimes these ties didn't lead to positive educational influences.
3) The last 2 reasons led to a a lack intellectual curiosity or preparedness. Nobody guiding the child to explore nor anybody showing them why it could be useful.

Years later I learned that the test wasn't as out of the blue as I had recollected. Many of the "advanced" kids had spent weeks preparing with their parents and their tutors.

I agree- and the housing market made it even worse cause alot of PG county residents never bounced back- they just simply move to another house while renting to section 8 and lower income residents from DC and inner beltway. Bowie , Flowers are situated in the wealthier parts of the county but 50% of those schools have students considered "lower class".

It wasn't like that before.

I'd still never leave PG I'd take the good with the bad.

No people who can afford to go to montgomery county schools

Nah Moco isnt even a solution fr fr

Moco back in the day isn't the same Moco today unless youre talking about Potomac and Bethesda (white majority areas where there are bllioiaires and millionaire)- Cause Wheaton, Silver Spring Germantown etc are focusing alot of their efforts on the growing Hispanic population and ESOL - Montgomery counties school system has declined with the demographic changes, hispanics are the majority of the school system and only about 25% kinder garden students know English. I've heard complaints from black people that their children are learning way too much spanish instead of proper english and math.

So i'd rather take PG

 

[get these nets]

They do cheat. I’ve went to school with them my whole life.

You mean you've gone to school with them, right?

Just busting your chops...and you left yourself open to that...in a thread about school and testing.hehehehee

The important part of the thread is that 83% of Black kids in that district are not passing minimum basic skills test.
The "Asians cheat" stuff is straight juelzing that comes up in any of these kinds of threads......When there was a thread about this before...and people copped that plea about SAT,LSAT,GRE exams......I aksed them what would explain the similar stats for Asians in elementary schools. People don't like the stats and cop pleas to explain them.
I don't doubt that Asian Americans(Japan,China,Korea) cheat, but not to the extent to explain the stats.....and the difference between them and other racial and ethnic groups

 

[badtguy]

Man....hate to say it, but I'm not shocked by the PG County numbers. The Montgomery County numbers are shocking though. Worth mentioning, PG is under new leadership and they had a scandal of passing kids despite failing scores.

Crazy how folks tout PG County for being majority black, but the county is notorious for bad schools and crime. The interim superintendent is black, so hopefully things change for the better

It seems the article mentioned the performance of black students in Moco but did not mention the performance of hispanic students who outnumber black students.

Its important for the author and readers to understand the demographic shift that is happening in Montgomery county.

I mentioned that a friend of mine was complaining his son had too many hispanics in his class and that he isnt learning necessary math and english because the teachers are accommodating Hispanic students.

Montgomery county is still one of the best but its definitely declining close to 30% and soon to be majority are hispanic and currently only 25% are proficient in english.
Any black person sending their kid to a majority hispanic school where 75% of students will have had Esol classes is insane.

 

[ogc163]

OK. What percentage are you happy with?

60%?
70%?
80%?



Theres valedictorians at these schools, you know....where did THEY come from?

Teachers aren't baby sitters. If you come unprepared you're going to have an even harder time.

Plus, if yall really cared, you would call for the shortening of the summer break to at 1 month at the max and keep kids in school longer.

The valedictorians at shytty schools often end up having to take remedial classes when they get to college, because their grades are inflated. I have personal experience with this, I went to a high school in NYC that was ranked the worst school in the entire city 2 out of the 4 years I was there. The valedictorian ended up at St. John's and had to take remedial classes because his education at my school was horrible to say the least. His mom didn't have a clue her son was not fully prepared, all she knew was that he was an elite student at sub-par public schools. She was unaware that in this context he was simply the tallest midget in the room. And so of course she gave her self a pat on the back throughout his schooling. He eventually dropped out of St. John's because he couldn't keep up. Did she go from being a good parent to a bad parent? No, her actions or inaction was primarily the result of a knowledge gap in regards to what signals she should have been paying attention to.

As someone who had to go to a community college and then eventually transfer out because I did poorly in high school, I saw Black middle class and poor students like the aforementioned student either get a harsh reality check or take the path of least resistance. I ended up in law school at the end of the day, did that magically turn my parents from bad to good parents? No, there involvement was simply a variable among a myriad of other important variables.

You guys have beef with certain behaviors and trends in the Black community, fine so do I. But be careful in overgeneralizing and letting your bias get the best of you. Especially when you get on here and start yapping about who is and is not a "good parent" in a space in which there children are still attending sub-par schools.

 

[get these nets]

This is sad and algebra is really simple, but a lot of kids don't understand the basics in elementary school, get too far behind, and have no chance with algebra.

I'm helping a cousin now who's a freshman in high school, and it's sad because it's very apparent that she never understood the basic principals that you should learn early in school ... and I mean the basics of fractions that you should learn in like 4th and 5th grade. And neither her, nor my mom can help her because neither of them know like... what a linear equation is or how to solve these problems. So I can't even imagine what it must be like for students who want help, but can't even get it from someone close, because even family and friends don't know algebra.

And I also wanna... take umbrage at people who say you need two parents to raise a child. No... you don't. Plenty of intelligent, productive people are the products of single-parent households. And I don't exactly have any basis for this, but I don't believe only certain people are smart enough to do well at math. But again, math is something you build on, and if you don't understand earlier concepts, it's only going to get harder as you go on.

I think the point people were making about regular family (two parents) was pretty clear. I can't see how anybody would be offended by it, or use examples of well adjusted successful people who did well despite single parent household as a counterpoint.
I don't care how widespread or commonplace single parent households are, there is nothing regular about it.

Your other points, about building upon basic principles and fundamentals, I agree with..

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

During segregation, we USED to know what worked.

After the Civil Rights and Black Power movements, the complete breakdown of the cohesive two-parent black family, and the marketed culture of the Crack Trade, successful strategies for youth achievement were all but abandoned.

Its time to take a look backwards, in order to move forward.

"Dunbar High School in Washington, DC, defied the odds and, in the process, changed America. In the first half of the twentieth century, Dunbar was an academically elite public school, despite being racially segregated by law and existing at the mercy of racist congressmen who held the school’s purse strings. These enormous challenges did not stop the local community from rallying for the cause of educating its children. Dunbar attracted an extraordinary faculty: one early principal was the first black graduate of Harvard, almost all the teachers had graduate degrees, and several earned PhDs—all extraordinary achievements given the Jim Crow laws of the times.

Over the school’s first eighty years, these teachers developed generations of highly educated, high-achieving African Americans, groundbreakers that included the first black member of a presidential cabinet, the first black graduate of the US Naval Academy, the first black army general, the creator of the modern blood bank, the first black state attorney general, the legal mastermind behind school desegregation, and hundreds of educators.

By the 1950s, Dunbar High School was sending 80 percent of its students to college.

Today, as with too many troubled urban public schools, the majority of Dunbar students struggle with reading and math."

 

[the bossman]

Agreed with everything except the BLM part.

We can react to police brutality and what white people are doing to us regardless of test scores.
One doesn't mandate the other, I see these are separate issues

really no different than the whole but what about black-on-black crime. shyt is corny. two separate things

 

[get these nets]

During segregation, we USED to know what worked.

After the Civil Rights and Black Power movements, the complete breakdown of the cohesive two-parent black family, and the marketed culture of the Crack Trade, successful strategies for youth achievement were all but abandoned.

Its time to take a look backwards, in order to move forward.

"Dunbar High School in Washington, DC, defied the odds and, in the process, changed America. In the first half of the twentieth century, Dunbar was an academically elite public school, despite being racially segregated by law and existing at the mercy of racist congressmen who held the school’s purse strings. These enormous challenges did not stop the local community from rallying for the cause of educating its children. Dunbar attracted an extraordinary faculty: one early principal was the first black graduate of Harvard, almost all the teachers had graduate degrees, and several earned PhDs—all extraordinary achievements given the Jim Crow laws of the times.

Over the school’s first eighty years, these teachers developed generations of highly educated, high-achieving African Americans, groundbreakers that included the first black member of a presidential cabinet, the first black graduate of the US Naval Academy, the first black army general, the creator of the modern blood bank, the first black state attorney general, the legal mastermind behind school desegregation, and hundreds of educators.

By the 1950s, Dunbar High School was sending 80 percent of its students to college.

Today, as with too many troubled urban public schools, the majority of Dunbar students struggle with reading and math."

Great post. Jim Crow era example of Black people doing what they had to do to succeed, and still posts here about WS to blame for 17% passing rate for basic skills tests in 2018.

MFers are lost.

 

[Nikki_04]

Black people who question the importance of two parent households:

Please recognize you are the only race/culture who constantly does so.

Common sense should tell you on average, children reared by both parents who created them adjust to life much better than when reared by single parents.

Stop looking at outliers because there's more positives than negatives.

Stop questioning its importance and apply basic, critical thinking skills. You look like an anomaly and present yourself as slightly 'touched in the head.'

Signed,
Black woman (who turned out well via society's standards) raised by a single mother.

I am not questioning two parent households, what I am saying, it is not the answer to all the problems. To say that it is wrong to do so it ignoring the true issues in regards to educating black children.

 

[DEAD7]

Give them teachers a raise

Spoiler

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Great post. Jim Crow era example of Black people doing what they had to do to succeed, and still posts here about WS to blame for 17% passing rate for basic skills tests in 2018.

MFers are lost.

Our grandparents and forebears were problem-solvers. Their everyday survival depended on it.

Amazingly, while attempting to survive, they excelled.

They did not possess the luxury to jump on white-owned tech platforms like Twitter, or message boards to complain about their condition.

There is much to learn from their resolve.

 

[Micky Mikey]

During segregation, we USED to know what worked.

After the Civil Rights and Black Power movements, the complete breakdown of the cohesive two-parent black family, and the marketed culture of the Crack Trade, successful strategies for youth achievement were all but abandoned.

Its time to take a look backwards, in order to move forward.

"Dunbar High School in Washington, DC, defied the odds and, in the process, changed America. In the first half of the twentieth century, Dunbar was an academically elite public school, despite being racially segregated by law and existing at the mercy of racist congressmen who held the school’s purse strings. These enormous challenges did not stop the local community from rallying for the cause of educating its children. Dunbar attracted an extraordinary faculty: one early principal was the first black graduate of Harvard, almost all the teachers had graduate degrees, and several earned PhDs—all extraordinary achievements given the Jim Crow laws of the times.

Over the school’s first eighty years, these teachers developed generations of highly educated, high-achieving African Americans, groundbreakers that included the first black member of a presidential cabinet, the first black graduate of the US Naval Academy, the first black army general, the creator of the modern blood bank, the first black state attorney general, the legal mastermind behind school desegregation, and hundreds of educators.

By the 1950s, Dunbar High School was sending 80 percent of its students to college.

Today, as with too many troubled urban public schools, the majority of Dunbar students struggle with reading and math."

At what point do we as community acknowledge that we are going backwards culturally and socially. We need to be honest about this without berating each other of being a sellout, c00n, uncle tom. etc. Cant we all come to an agreement that systematic racism has hindered our progress but also be willing to take partial accountability for our own failures as a people?

 

[BigMan]

You mean you've gone to school with them, right?

Just busting your chops...and you left yourself open to that...in a thread about school and testing.hehehehee

The important part of the thread is that 83% of Black kids in that district are not passing minimum basic skills test.
The "Asians cheat" stuff is straight juelzing that comes up in any of these kinds of threads......When there was a thread about this before...and people copped that plea about SAT,LSAT,GRE exams......I aksed them what would explain the similar stats for Asians in elementary schools. People don't like the stats and cop pleas to explain them.
I don't doubt that Asian Americans(Japan,China,Korea) cheat, but not to the extent to explain the stats.....and the difference between them and other racial and ethnic groups

I never said it explain it. I simply say they cheat ...which they do. When people bring up Asians in these discussions it’s akways coded language meaning that black people are inherently less intelligent than Asians

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

At what point do we as community acknowledge that we are going backwards culturally and socially. We need to be honest about this without berating each other of being a sellout, c00n, uncle tom. etc. Cant we all come to an agreement that systematic racism has hindered our progress but also be willing to take partial accountability for our own failures as a people?

Agreed, but its better to take full accountability for our success, than partial responsibility for our failures.

The Bordentown School (officially titled the Manual Training and Industrial School for Colored Youth, the State of New Jersey Manual Training School and Manual Training and Industrial School for Youth, though other names were used over the years), was a residential high school for African-American students, located in Bordentown in Burlington County, New Jersey, United States. Operated for most of the time as a publicly financed co-ed boarding school for African-American children, it was known as the "Tuskegee of the North" for its adoption of many of the educational practices first developed at the Tuskegee Institute in Alabama.[2] The school closed down in 1955. Bordentown School - Wikipedia

 

[get these nets]

Agreed, but its better to take full accountability for our success, than partial responsibility for our failures.

The Bordentown School (officially titled the Manual Training and Industrial School for Colored Youth, the State of New Jersey Manual Training School and Manual Training and Industrial School for Youth, though other names were used over the years), was a residential high school for African-American students, located in Bordentown in Burlington County, New Jersey, United States. Operated for most of the time as a publicly financed co-ed boarding school for African-American children, it was known as the "Tuskegee of the North" for its adoption of many of the educational practices first developed at the Tuskegee Institute in Alabama.[2] The school closed down in 1955. Bordentown School - Wikipedia

Good post.


Unless I',m getting the name confused ..Bordentown was a reform school in the 1990s..
My buddy played high school football and they scrimmaged against them. My friend went to a rough high school and he told me how much tougher the Bordentown team was. I think it was last alternative before juvenile jail.

I'd hate to think that it's the same school..and that it went from a trade school to school for troubled/incarcerated kids.