On my 2nd playthrough for The Last of Us 2 . Why does the story gets so much praise again?

[Gizmo_Duck]

Would you let some doctor kill your daughter for a 'possible' chance at finding a cure?

This is the criticism, elli is not Joels daughter, he saved ellie because he couldn’t save his daughter. Thats why its so psychologically fukked up.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

Well then thats a good argument for people who say it makes no sense that ellie doesn’t kill abby at the end.

@Deep_Black_Conscious this guy wants to talk to you

Why are you @ me?
That ending is trash framed under the themes of revenge and forgiveness
Idgaf what anyone else says
Almost ruined the story and many others felt that ending was the weakest part of the story
Neil was originally going to go for killing everyone but with an intended effect other than the cliche of revenge
It took ALOT of work for that ending to make sense because of Haley Gross trying to make Neil cling on to Abby and Lev for whatever reason
Without that work to understand what the ending really means, trash fukk outta here

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Why are you playing the game twice, if you have such gripe with it?

The gameplay is fire. And to get a better understanding of why those who liked the story and those who reasonably didn't. So I understand why it isn't likeable, because it doesn't make much sense.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Why are you @ me?
That ending is trash framed under the themes of revenge and forgiveness
Idgaf what anyone else says
Almost ruined the story and many others felt that ending was the weakest part of the story
Neil was originally going to go for killing everyone but with an intended effect other than the cliche of revenge
It took ALOT of work for that ending to make sense because of Haley Gross trying to make Neil cling on to Abby and Lev for whatever reason
Without that work to understand what the ending really means, trash fukk outta here

All is forgiven in the end, abby spares Ellie’s life twice, and ellie saves abby. It’s all good, right?

In then end they were all just ordinary people

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

This is the criticism, elli is not Joels daughter, he saved ellie because he couldn’t save his daughter. Thats why its so psychologically fukked up.

They developed a bond. They went through a lot together. That was basically his foster daughter in his eyes. Most folks would have easily developed that same bond. Would you have let that girl just die on the table after everything y'all been through? Chances are you wouldn't.

Another huge flaw is they didn't tell Ellie the chances of survival were very low. They didn't let her make that decision. That in itself would cause people to react in a bad way.

Joel reacted how any normal person would.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

They developed a bond. They went through a lot together. That was basically his foster daughter in his eyes. Most folks would have easily developed that same bond.

Another huge flaw is they didn't tell Ellie the chances of survival were very low. They didn't let her make that decision. That in itself would cause people to react in a bad way.

Would he have developed the same bond if it wasn’t a girl the same age age Sarah?

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

All is forgiven in the end, abby spares Ellie’s life twice, and ellie saves abby. It’s all good, right?

Neil should have went with his first instict, or use the slave/imprisonment angle with fat gerald and the rattlers more for more unexpected outcomes involving Abby and Ellie
I thought that would be one of the ways Neil would let Abby live
I do think the imprisonment/slavery thing will be in Part 3 along with the idea of slaves and how it relates to immunity but that's for another discussion (I predict Ellie gets smuggled, maybe even internationally, in Part 3)
But to see that flashback fukkery in the end
We can thank Haley Gross for that, and even though it still makes sense with the required work,
The ending is the weakest point of the story for me but with the required work it no longer ruins the story for me like it did as my first gut reaction, but I understand why a number of people don't like it besides them not getting to kill Abby because they hate her.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Neil should have went with his first instict, or use the slave/imprisonment angle with fat gerald and the rattlers more for more unexpected outcomes involving Abby and Ellie
I thought that would be one of the ways Neil would let Abby live
I do think the imprisonment/slavery thing will be in Part 3 along with the idea of slaves and how it relates to immunity but that's for another discussion (I predict Ellie gets smuggled, maybe even internationally, in Part 3)
But to see that flashback fukkery in the end
We can thank Haley Gross for that, and even though it still makes sense with the require work,
The ending is the weakest point of the story for me but with the required work it no longer ruins the story for me, but I understand why a number of people don't like it besides them not getting to kill Abby because they hate her.

So you think abby should have forgiven joel after he saved her from the horde?

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Would he have developed the same bond if it wasn’t a girl the same age age Sarah?

Who wouldn't bond with a kid in those times? Unless you some physcopath, you'd feel that same way whether they were girl or boy.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

So you think abby should have forgiven joel after he saved her from the horde?

I don't think she would get a random flashback that would change her mind, with no buildup to that point other than her unconscious having the time to process things in a different way

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Who wouldn't bond with a kid in those times? Unless you some physcopath, you'd feel that same way whether they were girl or boy.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

So you think abby should have forgiven joel after he saved her from the horde?

Joel was a bad man tuned for the good, but most importantly saved her. Most normal folk would have forgiven him.

Ask anybody how they feel about revenge, they never felt better about it.

 

[5n0man]

Would you let some random doctor kill your daughter for a 'possible' chance at finding a cure?

Joel was justified in his human emotions in not losing someone he loved. I wonder how many people would've done the same thing. Possibly a lot.

That's only one perspective.

Abby and her crew had no knowledge of Joel's relationship to ellie, for all they knew he could have took payment and killed the fireflies so he could double up selling ellie to someone else. It's not like he had the best reputation.

They didn't even know ellie was still alive, that black chick ellie killed seemed surprised when she found out who ellie was, and then tried to reason with her once she knew.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

I don't think she would get a random flashback that would change her mind, with no buildup to that point other than her unconscious having the time to process things in a different way

She got a flashback that made her save lev and yara though

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

She got a flashback that made her save lev and yara though

No, she saw their innocence and they saved her life
Difference is they didn't kill her father
Some people get revenge, some people change their minds
Because of time and the totality of Ellie's experience, her unconscious processed things in a different way
Otherwise you wouldn't die in the theatre once you're open to Ellie but of course Ellie kills you she is not going to have a random flashback