Old Going For Gold: USA Men's Olympic Basketball - Next Up The Main Event vs France (8/10 @ 3:30pm ET)

Where Will The Olympic Team Medal?

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threattonature

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bron is all time great true

jt is the primary playmaker in his role with the celtics

no it's not the same thing but he plays best as the with control of the rock

bron is ironman status tatum was not gonna get any steady run in a familiar role

haliburton also played less because he needs the pill to work best

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Alright I get what you saying. Basically Tatum is at his best with the ball in his hand but that wasn't going to happen with Bron, Durant, Curry and others controlling the ball more. That I agree with.
 

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That move called “The Sugar Chomper” :dame:

Or TSC for short
"Hey Chuck, what's this move called?"

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Alright I get what you saying. Basically Tatum is at his best with the ball in his hand but that wasn't going to happen with Bron, Durant, Curry and others controlling the ball more. That I agree with.
Yea, i'd say if you're on Team USA, efficiency is more important than versatility. Gotta find a niche and be great at it. You can be a jack of all trades but if you come out the gate bricking jump shots and missing layups, no one got time for you to figure shyt out in real time. He never had a defined role whereas most the others kinda fell naturally into a niche.
 

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Headlined by Stephen Curry’s late game heroics, a star-studded Olympic men’s basketball final delivered like no other since Atlanta in 1996.

Saturday’s United States-France Olympic men’s basketball final averaged 19.5 million viewers across NBC and Peacock, marking the largest audience for an Olympic basketball gold medal game since 1996 (25.8M), per a combination of Nielsen fast-nationals and Adobe Analytics

The previous high was 16.3 million for another USA-France matchup in 2000. Viewership increased 110% from the previous gold medal game, another USA-France matchup in the COVID-delayed 2021 Olympics. (The famous “Redeem Team” gold medal game in 2008 averaged just 6.0 million, but that aired in the middle of the night.)


The United States’ win, which peaked with 22.7 million during the 5 PM ET quarter-hour, delivered the largest basketball audience of any kind since the 2019 Virginia-Texas Tech NCAA men’s basketball final (19.6M), surpassing this year’s Iowa-South Carolina NCAA women’s basketball national title game on ABC, ESPN and ESPN Deportes (18.9M). (On a Nielsen-only basis, the Iowa-South Carolina game comes out ahead.)


It delivered the largest audience for a game involving LeBron James, Curry or Kevin Durant since Game 5 of the 2017 NBA Finals, which featured all three (24.5M). (On a Nielsen-only basis, it was the trio’s most-watched game since the 2018 Finals, which also featured all three.)
 
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Meh. Not really.
Yes.

Really.
1- You are right to pinpoint Canada and France. But that’s it. No other country has that concentrated level of talent. Giannis in Greece was a non factor, Embiid couldn’t even play for Cameroon, etc. So when people say ‘the wOrlD caTcHin up’ it’s really overblown. The WORLD collectively is but individual countries are not. We lost to argentina 20 years ago. Battled with Spain 15 years ago. Where they at? They platuead if not fell off completely
The problem with this is, you're speaking of the state as it's right now. A lot can change between now and 2028.

As I've just pointed out, there's a greater influx of international talent into the NBA. The first two lottery picks of this year's draft are international players; six of the lottery picks are international players (that's nearly half). Any number of those players could turn into stars. You have international players deeper on the board who could become stars.

And that's just that draft class.

"There were a record 125 players from 40 countries on opening-day NBA rosters last October. That's almost six times as many international players as the league had in 1992, the year that the Dream Team helped basketball take off internationally."

The last time an American-born player won MVP was 2018, and that drought is likely to continue with Luka and SGA being the favorites to win this upcoming season. That's the type of concentrated talent you need to win. Team USA were running closing lineups with 4 MVPs in them. Is that level of concentrated talent going to be there in 2028? No. The margin of talent is going to be a lot closer next time around.

If you're admitting that Canada and France but will be threats, then that's enough. There only needs to be one team that's better than Team USA.

Just look at the players that France can potentially have on their squad in 2028:

Wemby (#1 pick)
Risacher (#1 pick)
Sarr (#2 pick)
Saluan (#6 pick)
Coulibaly (#7 pick)
Dieng (#11 pick)


Then you have the likes of Nolan Traore who's projected to go #2 in next year's draft. And Noa Essengue, who's projected to be a lottery pick too.

And you wanna sit there and say the world catching up is overblown? Nxgga, they're right here banging at the front door, and by the time the next Olympics comes around, they'll already have kicked that shyt down, sleeping up in our cribs, eating off our plates.
2- Peopke talk about the 3 point shot like it’s new. Folk been talking that ‘the 3 point line is a equalizer’ for 20 years now
20 years ago, the league-average for 3-pt attempts was 14.9 per game. Now, just to put that into perspective - in 1995, the league-average for 3-pt attempts was 15.3. The 3-pt shot 20 years was an afterthought for offenses. It was no more than complimentary.

You know what the league-average for 3pt attempts was last year?

35 per game.


It's the main attraction of offenses now. Entire offenses are centered around the shot.

We just saw a Serbia team, who was scarce on talent in comparison, push Team USA to the brink of elimination because they got hot from behind the arc. It was the ultimate equalizer for them to make up for what they lacked in talent (and athleticism). And you wanna know the funny thing about how Team USA ended up coming from behind and winning?

They needed the 3-pt shot.

They needed the greatest shooter to ever live to hit 9 threes to beat a considerably less talented team.
The talent gap is still large, very large. They still have no answer for athleticism elite guard play and athleticism.
Serbia just proved that they didn't need "elite guard play" nor "athleticism" to compete. They just needed ONE player (who can't jump over a phonebook) and 3-pt shooting.

What elite guard play will Team USA have in 2028 as it now stands? Will they have an answer to the international top-tier talent in 2028? Perhaps so, but it will be in the form of generational talent like they've had available to them over the last 20 years?

On that point about elite guard play and athleticism - we just won a gold medal with the three most important players in their mid-to-late 30s, two of which aren't even guards and all three whose respective athleticism, was a shell of their former selves, which granted is still better than much of the competition, but they won because of their IQ and experience.
We really had Cam Johnson, Josh hart, mikal bridges, walker Kessler on the same team :dead: Why? Bc too many Cacs involved romanticizing ‘3&D’ guys and role players. If we follow the dream team path and add the best players regardless of ‘fit’, we dominate.
No, those players were chosen because they were the best available. The best players weren't available. And that's likely going to be the case going through the next cycle of international play before the Olympics. It'll be whomever is available.

And here's the thing you have to remember - besides the Olympics, Team USA don't really care for international competition like that. Getting the best players to buy-in to keep the same rotation through tourneys like the FIBA World Cup and friendlies won't happen. We're seeing an ever-increasing amount of injuries, and an ever-increasing amount of player protection and an ever-increasing amount of monetary player value. Meaning, prioritizing international play is going to be long down the list.
 
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I kinda agree. I'd still rather have a healthy kawhi,pg, or harden on thsi team than tatum or white. However the league is getting mroe international.
And Kawhi, PG and Harden not going to be there in 2028 either - that's the level of talent that was on the outskirts of this year's team.

Essentially, when 2028 arrives we're going to have be reliant on players developing over the next three years. The likeilihood that we'll have that level of talent who miss out is considerably low. We'll need to be dependent on making Paul George-level of talent a constant in the rotation.
 

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And Kawhi, PG and Harden not going to be there in 2028 either - that's the level of talent that was on the outskirts of this year's team.

Essentially, when 2028 arrives we're going to have be reliant on players developing over the next three years.
The likeilihood that we'll have that level of talent who miss out is considerably low. We'll need to be dependent on making Paul George-level of talent a constant in the rotation.

Somebody is always willing to put in the work

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The problem with this is, you're speaking of the state as it's right now. A lot can change between now and 2028.

Mm not really. Injuries yes. But talent infusion? Not really. Look at this roster. Haliburton is the only surprise from 4 years ago. Everyone else, 4 years ago you would have envisioned they’d be here. So there are no international stars coming that we don’t already know about

As I've just pointed out, there's a greater influx of international talent into the NBA.

Yes, and again, we don’t play ‘the world’. We play individual countries. Even with the world ‘catching up’, it is unlikely these teams have multiple stars. Hell you can argue no team has surpassed the cumulative talent level of Spain with the Gasol brothers and that was 20 years who

Just look at the players that France can potentially have on their squad in 2028:

Wemby (#1 pick)
Risacher (#1 pick)
Sarr (#2 pick)
Saluan (#6 pick)
Coulibaly (#7 pick)
Dieng (#11 pick)

Grading on a curve. Imagine saying ‘Team USA we got the #6, #7, #11 pick’ :heh: Lost if those guys are/will be role players. AND they will still be pups in 2028. Intentional teams lean on experience. But yes France is legit.

And that's likely going to be the case going through the next cycle of international play before the Olympics. It'll be whomever is available.

That’s a false equivalency. Us not bringing the best and subsequently losing/struggling is not the same as their teams closing the gap.

Getting the best players to buy-in to keep the same rotation through tourneys like the FIBA World Cup and friendlies won't happen. We're seeing an ever-increasing amount of injuries, and an ever-increasing amount of player protection and an ever-increasing amount of monetary player value. Meaning, prioritizing international play is going to be long down the list.

Olympics is the only tourney that matters. And we got Ant Man. He’s gonna be a HUGE piece to this bc of his personality he’s a connector. After experiencing this? Yea he’s playing and he’s getting everyone to play too. Don’t forget this will be in LA home soil :umad:
 
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