Piff Perkins
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I don't really read to know him @Billy Ocean and I fukks with you, but you're admitting everything we're saying. Both of you. You're saying that Walt, I, Crimson, etc. are right but that if other fan bases were more visible online then they would do this too. But that's just a hypothetical. We're dealing with facts and the facts are Nas stans are the most obnoxious dudes on this board (outside of 50 fans) and a lot of people are trying to hide their hands right now. In the end, if the majority of your fan base is annoying as shyt--they will drown out rational voices.
I don't even know why you guys care, you're in the majority...I knew damn well the LWO was BEYOND obnoxious when we were winning...I just didn't care and I never felt the need to make excuses for it.
The most annoying fans on this forum are Drake stans, let's get that straight right now.
It's not a hypothetical overall. Different forums attract different people. KTT has plenty of insane stans of every rapper, and overall I think that's how most fanbases are. The Coli is more laid back and less centralized around individual rappers until something big happens (album releases, single releases, etc). Nas has the only official thread. Those are facts breh.
Again, I'm not coming at anyone. I respect everyone here, my rep proceeds me. And I'll kick some real shyt here: I do agree Nas has essentially been using gimmicks for his albums. HHID is a very uneven project that is at best average, at worse bad. It has some horrible beats, including one from Chris Webber iirc. I don't understand how someone can listen to so much old music yet be unable to pick groovy, funky, noteworthy, etc production. I mean come on....
And it worked: the album sold well. He did the same with Untitled and it also sold well despite having puzzling production.
My view of Nas is that he's my favorite rapper, I definitely believe he makes the best case of being the GOAT...but he is also a rapper with the most unforced errors of all time. This is a guy who had Premo, Tip, and Pete Rock all worshiping him as a god. Go back and watch some old interviews of them, and how they talk about Nas in awe. Notice how a lot of producer talk about him like that. Yet instead of basing his career around mining them for dope production he treated production like it didn't matter. "Oh, Steve Stoute thinks this is hot? Aite." It worked for It Was Written...and you could argue half of I Am had great to decent production. Nastradamus? Ehhh. Stillmatic was full of dope beats but still had a couple duds where you gotta think why didn't he call up Havoc, Tip, Pete Rock...even Swizz..
What happened with SD, HHID and Untitled. Big Def Jam budget, albums sold well, so why did he apparently put no emphasis on securing heat? I don't get it. Smartest thing Hov did was secure a dope production crew from the crew, and develop it. It's like making sure your baseball team got a good bullpen.