Please tag all the Nas stans who said Droog was next level, found out it wasn't Nas, then immediately said his shyt was wack. That's what this is all about right? There's supposedly enough of them to justify making a thread? Tag some of them.
This thread proves they are not the majority.
So basically - there were rappers before and after Nas who did it too.
don't hold me prison.
all because you don't know your full history.
what do you think the division of old school to new school was about.
why do you think the force mc's, were forced to lean back and be the force md's.
why do you think drake is called soft.
all this shyt was here as pre-emptive in the new school way of though.
as a matter of fact, the new school way of thought almost succumbed to what is occurring now.
when, hammer was around.
yet, the guys who protected the culture who were influential in nas getting where he got.
protected and steer the general fan and gateway of rap back to the essence.
a direction nas could have stayed to and because of the marketing boom from leo burnett to market hiphop.
nas, would have sold the same amount of records he sold on iww.
if it would have had the same cultural based direction as illmatic.
that is what you don't get.
as a matter of fact,..i think your username is quite telling.
as it says, you don't know this because you cling to a period as a gateway through your username.
that says you were around when illmatic rocked as well.
with a username like mobbinfms.
so spare me your questioning,.....when, you should know this anyway.
since you are a qb fan, as the same record nas samped to blow.
that group was the last old school way of thought high drawing artist.
that had a bit of legs in the new school way of thought.
yet, were unable to craft more culturally driven based rap at the time.
so, what are you saying...?
when, you asked me what you asked me.
mobbinfms said:
This wasn't just about biting Nas though. He sounded like him, used old references and had no online presence whatsoever. He milked the shyt for all it was worth.
no, he didn't...
he played his cards completely wrong.
he should have pulled an action bronson, and made more videos to show he was not ghostface.
plus, had a background in culinary arts to authenicate all the ghostface food references.
he played it completely wrong.
he did what angelous did and lost.
when, angelous came about in a time where there was not much immediate viral presence and failed.
a biter like fab, got over being the new hot mase clone.
just like fiddy was a mase clone.
yet, was getting over.
all, because they had visibility to differentiate whom and what they were about.
aside from the bitten/stolen vocal tones.
droog, could have gotten over on just visuals and people seeing him replicate nas in this day and age.
as, a guy like action bronson's formula is proven and suffers no cred issues from the majority of the people in the know.
when, just like droog,...
action bronson should have just been written off, too.
mobbinfms said:
Why the double standard for Jay and Nas?
it is not a double standard.
it is judging them for what they are and that particular genre.
aside from just my cultural purist view.
as, the reason why i have a draw.
is i am the person who put into words, what made a good non-cultural pop selected rap record.
aside from the non-culture based approach.
on top, of being an incredible purist driven review guy.
i created versatility that many and mostly all purist lack.
that is one of the real reasons, i am a draw at this shyt, for real.
sit back and take notes,..maybe you'll get there one day.
mobbinfms said:
This was one of the highlights on the Vol 3 bootleg.
More double standard. You admit the song itself sucks but choose to praise Jay for his rhymes on it. Meanwhile -
@Big Mel shyts on Nas stans for praising bad music with content. Why can we parse out Jay's music to praise the good shyt - but not Nas?
Record was awful. But maybe I should revisit that album - I just dismissed it after listening a few times and haven't gone back.
jay, will always never be regarded as a culturally minded artist.
even, if he makes a culturally based pr run to pander.
as we know what he is and what he is about.
plus, he also ushered in making pop based jiggy hook based rap a gateway after big.
so, when the music shifted to that brand of music.
plus, that sonic landscape...
jay, was the first one after big to get the skillset to rock with convincability in that era.
on top, of being the best pr'd rapper in history.
we could also say jayz was the best rapper to learn how to rap in a pop context from.
which is why songs like girls like, jay's performance is given exemplary high marks.
regardless of the piss-poor execution to jack past old school way of thought staples like fly girl and fail miserably.
when, those records and posse records like the grand finale were wack and lacked the energy and performances to out distance the original.
which, all you are supposed to do.
if you wanna rock somebody else's break.
if you don't rock somebody else's break.
it will be deemed wack, and the sum of the parts and a piss poor hood execution.
plus, a lack of vision on flipping a staple break like fly girls.
is, why the sum of the parts jay's record is dissed.
yet, jay's performance is lauded as a technical triumph for the jiggy genre, performance wise.
while nas's attempts to come out of his cultural based genre and roots.
his sweetspot, which he never had to make music out of ever.
as you could say he is a jedi.
it is like asking him to be a jango fett clone and not be a jedi.
then, be judged from just a basic storm trooper perspective.
then, he is the worst storm trooper, ever.
that is the issue with a nas jiggy wannabe pop record submission.
that, i know you are missing and most nas's fans are missing.
plus, the fact..
unlike jayz, nas never ramped up to be consistently good out of his sweetspot.
while jay excelled out of his sweetspot and on the standard breaks as he ramped up.
in what is argueably the greatest ramp up in skill in rap history.
which occurred from 95-2000, for jay skillwise.
then, he fell off as principle's he styles morphed and bit off were no longer consistently present.
to present him a technical rubrick to apply to his one natural gift which is a very versatile mic presence.
unlike nas, who would never be under and never have any scrutiny making culturally based records.
yet, since, nas....
ventured, brazenly into the foray of pop/jiggy records.
plus, was underachiever levels of bad at it.
on top, of being offkey and cramming to many words into a bar on records.
that are supposed to be his sweetspot, like distant relatives.
nas, is going to take way more critical blows than jayz in comparison.
as nas, struggles just like jay to show skill near their past levels.
when, this is rap and you not supposed to be losing skill later in life.
while, jay and nas continue to dwindle in skill.
yet, both their stanbases continue to ignore that.
as both, are so venomously connected.
they can never exist without one another.
as, both groups needed and still need one another to survive and cling to.
whatever it is in their mind they cling to.
to make them feel whole, when they are stanning.
mobbinfms said:
That's like the 8th time you've made a great point that everyone in this thread is just gonna ignore.
billy ocean, has constructed a pass giving system.
of, which you also subscribe to.
like most purist and stan driven guys who make remarks about music.
that is why your pallettes are limited.
coupled with, why you guys don't connect.
plus, don't have a larger draw out of guys.
whom, don't share, or have like minded views as you.
you have to take the time to become more versatile at this shyt.
plus, stop constructing pass systems, for your more valued artist in your collection.
that do not hold the creators of their music responsible.
for not having cultural responsibility.
while, then holding another group of equally offensible artist.
more guilty than the artist you have shielded from the same scrutiny.
when, both are just as guilty and also the timeline beginning point.
TO EXACTLY, WHY THINGS ARE THE EXACT WAY THEY ARE.
as nas, and later jayz, are exactly why rap sucks and will never recovered.
the audacity of nas stans to continue to try to cover that up.
will never happen as long as, the culture is protected by:
art barr