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If its the dude that created lost doing this show then:stopitslime:

i hope these fool know that not everyone read the fukking comics, so backstory is necessary for a lot of this weird shyt

:russ: if you saw the movie, you don't need to have read the comic, aside from maybe the squid thing.

All the rest of your questions, you're just as clueless as even us comic book readers. :mjlol:
 

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It does, in that the characters in it are referenced by the movie. But Snyder changed the ending to the book - which involved a giant squid rather than a faked Dr. Manhattan attack. That now appears to be non-canon, as there would be no reason to have squid showers otherwise.

so a magical giant squid just showed up instead of how Snyder put it...

and Snyders ending is a bad thing?
 

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:russ: if you saw the movie, you don't need to have read the comic, aside from maybe the squid thing.

All the rest of your questions, you're just as clueless as even us comic book readers. :mjlol:
I appreciate you explaining this at least


I thought i had to reread the comics to even get some of this. I like the show (so far) because it’s interesting concepts but I can’t stand shows that are weird for the sake of being weird with no explanation.
 

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Sounds like the same dumb shyt nikkas said about Legion and it took all fukking season for them to explain even partially of the shyt.

nobody needs anyone to hold their fukking hand but this mysterious bullshyt got to go. Have a fukking plot instead of a bunch of weird shyt going on only to be half assed explained 8 episodes in.

The difference between this and Legion is that there's definitive source material that you can follow back for this.

Legion took the core premise of David's parentage and then built everything around it. If you know the character - the identity of the villain in the first few seasons was pretty self explanatory. Other that that - it pretty much stood alone.
 

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So those servants Veidt had were artificial intelligence or genetically engineered cyborgs right? They were acting weird af
 

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so a magical giant squid just showed up instead of how Snyder put it...

and Snyders ending is a bad thing?

I don't know what to tell you.

It genuinely makes more sense to me watching this show, knowing the book. The squid was created by Jeremy Irons' character to basically simulate an alien attack and bring humanity together.

Alien Monster


With the direct and indirect scientific assistance of Doctor Manhattan, Veidt pours the vast resources at his disposal into the study of genetic engineering (an early success of which was Bubastis). Meanwhile, through Dimensional Developments, he puts an equal amount of work into discovering how to replicate Jon's power of teleportation, though it is notable that the teleportation method created by Veidt is too imprecise to prevent the teleported object from reappearing in the same space as another object, resulting in an explosion;[1] still, this only further suits Veidt's intentions. Both of these studies take nearly a decade to perfect. He also has a number of tachyon generators constructed in locations around the world to obscure Doctor Manhattan’s vision of the future in order to prevent him from taking any action against Veidt.

Once the research is completed to Veidt's satisfaction, he uses Pyramid Deliveries to transport science fiction writer Max Shea, surrealist artist Hira Manish, and a large number of other writers (like James Trafford March), artists (like Linette Paley), and scientists – who are under the impression that they were being employed as part of a top-secret movie production – to a privately owned island for a period of several months, in which time they conceptualize and engineer the monster.

The brain was created by stealing that of deceased psychic Robert Deschaines and cloning it, augmenting it considerably in the process as a psychic resonant device. The monster was engineered and bred with nightmarish imageries from the creations of the abovementioned scholars (Paley's sounds, Shea'sdescriptions, Manish's images), which derived from its supposedly alien world.[2] Both the disappearances and the theft of the brain are reported by the New Frontiersman, correctly insisting that it is part of an elaborate conspiracy (but for the wrong reasons).

While on a plane returning from Nicaragua in 1985, the Comedian spots the uncharted island and, suspecting Sandinista bases,[3] infiltrates it and discovers Veidt's conspiracy, the resulting "professional jealousy" of which deeply traumatizes him. After he returned to New York he drunk and crying, broke into the apartment of Edgar Jacobi, formerly the supervillain Moloch, and rambled about what he saw before departing; Veidt, who had Moloch's house bugged,[4] discovers that the Comedian had found out about his plan and subsequently murders him by throwing him out of his apartment window, thereby prompting investigation by Rorschach and setting off the events of the graphic novel.

Afterward, all of the monster's creators are killed when the Pyramid Deliveries ship taking them home is blown up in order to erase all evidence of Veidt’s plan.

DeathEdit
At midnight on November 2, 1985, Veidt teleports his monster into the heart of New York City. As predicted, large sections of its body (namely its tentacles) explode upon arrival, causing considerable collateral damage and killing the creature instantly. Its death generates a massive psychic shockwave from within its brain, killing half of the population of New York City.

ImpactEdit
Its appearance and devastation in New York City frightens the governments of the world - believing the monster to be an alien from another dimension or planet, a sign of a possible future invasion from space. They decided to work together against the new threat, at last ending the Cold War and creating worldwide peace, thereby removing the inevitable threat of mankind’s destruction by nuclear war.

Most of the former Crimebusters, having uncovered Veidt’s plot in Karnak, are shocked by its severity and cost of lives, but agree that it is necessary to keep the truth of the monster a secret to continue to prevent the nuclear holocaust that so nearly endangered humanity before. Rorschach, however, moved by his sentimentality of absolute justice, refuses to compromise and attempts to return to civilization and spread the word of Veidt’s doings. He is confronted by Doctor Manhattan, who tells him that he cannot allow the truth to get out. Jon attempts to reason Rorschach a final time, but Rorschach insists that there is only one way to ensure his silence, and so Doctor Manhattan disintegrates him.


Glimpses of Veidt's new utopia.

As the world rebuilds itself, fashions and mentalities adapt to the new era with new interest towards space, which is mirrored in fashion and commercial trends, still fueled anew by Veidt Enterprises, which continues with propaganda to perpetuate all this: One popular show is The Outer Limits, and the Cold War-themed candies "Mmeltdowns" are renamed "Sunbursts". The perfume "Nostalgia" is renamed "Millennium," mirroring a new era of hope. "Utopia" is renamed "New Utopia"; one of the theater's first movies is Tarkovsky's The Sacrifice (about an upcoming holocaust and peoples' reactions to it). Also, graffitis with mottos such as "Watch the skies" (in place of the popular slogan "Who Watches the Watchmen?") and "Quantum Jump" can be seen in the streets. The attack on New York would come to be known as the New York City Massacre.

Veidt's world lasts for seven years and is initially unaffected by the publication of Rorschach's journal by the New Frontiersman. In accordance with Veidt's prediction, Walter Kovacs is not taken as a credible source. However, unexpected developments result in President Redford opening an investigation into Veidt codenamed Operation: Commodus, which implicates the former hero and secures the president's reelection. Ozymandias goes into hiding as the world disintegrates around him.

When recounting this plan to Lex Luthor during his quest to find Doctor Manhattan, Ozymandias is viciously mocked by Luthor, who wonders how Ozymandias could ever have thought this plan would succeed.

There's whole storylines that Snyder left out of his adaptation. I know the 'Tales Of The Black Freighter' got a half assed animated release after the fact, but it makes more sense if it's in the body of the narrative. It's things like that which made Alan Moore believe it was unfilmable. You could argue the same about V For Vendetta.

Warner could have made great bingeable shows out of both of them if they'd been able to hold off maybe 5 or 6 years.
 
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so a magical giant squid just showed up instead of how Snyder put it...

and Snyders ending is a bad thing?


That giant squid thing was prolly horrifying in the 80's.

In the book, Adrian had these horror writers go on an island retreat and create the most evil shyt they could think of.

Then he had the giant alien squid that would instantly die when it was teleported into new york, and it would imprint all those images/stories into the brains of the "survivors" when it died.

The world would think it was an alien attack of some sort and stop fighting.

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Snyder would've had to pull some truly demonic shyt to have the same effect.
 

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Sounds like the same dumb shyt nikkas said about Legion and it took all fukking season for them to explain even partially of the shyt.

nobody needs anyone to hold their fukking hand but this mysterious bullshyt got to go. Have a fukking plot instead of a bunch of weird shyt going on only to be half assed explained 8 episodes in.
Oh you hating on legion

Your opinion automatically trash sir
 
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