Official UNC Tar Heels Thread

[Pressure]

it doesnt matter if roy has more or less talent than izzo, he'll beat him every time

like 2013-2014 when an average unc team won at #1 sparty

or 2009-2010 when the second worst team in school history beat top 10 sparty in chapel hill.

it isnt like he skates by them when the talent isnt equal. he destroys them (twice in 2008-2009, 2005 FF, 2008 second round)

its just a fact that roy is a much better coach than izzo

Those are two of the best College Basketball teams ever. We smashed everyone in 09 and should have won in 08.

Going by this same Logic Bill Self is a better coach than Roy Williams which goes against your initial point of who's a better coach than Roy Williams not name K.

 

[Champ_KW]

Knox ain't comin to UNC bruh. UK or Duke bound. He wants to be one and done not worry about tryna share minutes or getting benched for missing a play. Out of the ESPN Top 10 in the 2014 class guess who are the two guys still in the NCAA? These parents/advisors look at stuff like that. Plus the sanctions don't help either. A lot of the parents like Roy too. I don't think he should stop what he's doing for one and done guys either.

I love how you're using this as the barometer for Roy's entire tenure at UNC. And it's not a genuine statement. Theo has been hurt 2 outta 3 years and Justin could've left both years if he wanted to. I don't know why people automatically assume something is wrong if a kid stays in school more than a year. Needless to say, minus the NCAA cloud Roy did well in recruiting, winning, and sending kids to the league early.

Study: Schools with most early NBA entries in one-and-done era

In 2014, when the chatter started about UNC sanctions, the recruiting suffered and he's just not landing the one and done talent. Brandon Ingram would've been in Chapel Hill if not for that.

5-Star SF Admits He Likely Would Have Committed To UNC Already If Not For NCAA Sanction Questions » The Spun

What's happening to UNC is more nuanced than just "Roy can't recruit or get guys to the league". In fact, Roy has done a masterful job considering. I wonder if you had this same nitpicking attitude about K and his 5 Burger Boys dropping 10 games last year without as much as a regular season or conference tourney title, let alone a national title.

 

[Tobias]

more than anything it has been poor luck the last few years (and duke having some good luck makes it look worse in comparison). since our last title:

2010: we were terrible. no doubt about it. was an awful year in college bball and a flawed duke team got hot at the right moment, got some breaks in their bracket and got a title. that's just how it goes sometimes.
2011: we win the acc regular season (duke hasn't won the acc regular season in over a decade). pick the worst possible time to go cold in the last 4 minutes of the elite 8 game. tough break because i think we beat the shyt show that the final four was. bad luck
2012: biggest what-if in carolina history. this generation's phil ford injury what-if. we were peaking at the right time. curb stomped duke in durham to win the acc again. duke loses to lehigh. kendall breaks his wrist because creighton is a bunch of fakkits. coulda had one of the greatest title games ever. it was us and kentucky with a large gap between us 2 and the next tier down. more bad luck
2013: down year because of the unexpected early entrance from kendall
2014: pj hairston's suspension wrecked that team's potential. everyone from the coaching staff, to neutral observers said he was one of the best two guards in the country. up and down season. duke loses to mercer
2015: still a year away. we make the sweet 16 but fall apart against wisconsin. duke wins a title. no luck or any break there. they were just better.
2016: great season that comes up one shot short. sweep the regular season and the acc (again duke hasn't won the acc since 2005-2006). duke has an uninspiring early exit
2017: tbd

my point is, roy has had some chances and we've just had some bad luck (2011, 2012, 2014's pj suspension, the jenkins shot). and conversely, duke, who many said have lapped us at this point, isnt actually doing that.

luck has so much to do with this shyt. if kendall stays healthy in 2012 and k doesnt backdoor his way into a title in 2010, this narrative is completely different. and that isnt taking last year into account or a possible title run this year.

i just think everyone needs to chill out with the doom and gloom

 

[Pressure]

I love how you're using this as the barometer for Roy's entire tenure at UNC. And it's not a genuine statement. Theo has been hurt 2 outta 3 years and Justin could've left both years if he wanted to. I don't know why people automatically assume something is wrong if a kid stays in school more than a year. Needless to say, minus the NCAA cloud Roy did well in recruiting, winning, and sending kids to the league early.

UNC is still a top school. Roy still tries to recruit heavy and we still land our fair share and have plenty of success. I don't think any college kid is using @Lafarrakhan's logic on one and one to determine if they'll join the league. It's not like UNC guys aren't still going pro, winning rings, and getting paid in the NBA.

 

[Tobias]

Those are two of the best College Basketball teams ever. We smashed everyone in 09 and should have won in 08.

Going by this same Logic Bill Self is a better coach than Roy Williams which goes against your initial point of who's a better coach than Roy Williams not name K.

if we win it in 2008, we dont win in 2009

those guys arent coming back if we had taken care of business in 2008

 

[Tobias]

UNC is still a top school. Roy still tries to recruit heavy and we still land our fair share and have plenty of success. I don't think any college kid is using @Lafarrakhan's logic on one and one to determine if they'll join the league. It's not like UNC guys aren't still going pro, winning rings, and getting paid in the NBA.

i dont know what the issue with our one and done recruitment is. probably a lot of reasons into one (roy's stubborness, duke/uk's success, scandals)

a lot of these guys would be #1 overall no matter where they went. you cant tell me that tatum wouldnt be just fine if he played at unc vs duke or even unc greensboro. talent will shine through (see marvin not starting and going #2). it is frustrating for sure. just takes one to change that perception tho. look what kyrie did for duke

i want the one and done guys too but following kids like marcus and brice for four years really makes me happy to be a carolina fan

 

[Pressure]

i dont know what the issue with our one and done recruitment is. probably a lot of reasons into one (roy's stubborness, duke/uk's success, scandals)

a lot of these guys would be #1 overall no matter where they went. you cant tell me that tatum wouldnt be just fine if he played at unc vs duke or even unc greensboro. talent will shine through (see marvin not starting and going #2). it is frustrating for sure. just takes one to change that perception tho. look what kyrie did for duke

i want the one and done guys too but following kids like marcus and brice for four years really makes me happy to be a carolina fan

Roy says he recruits these kids. I know he wants them. I know sometimes he stands aside if they have too shady of a third party around (John Wall), but maybe he's just trying to convince them the value of spending more than one year at school. Speaking truthfully, spending a couple years at UNC as a star on the basketball team is a pretty dope life if you don't mind going to class. Be worshiped by college brehettes and old heads for life.

 

[Tobias]

Roy says he recruits these kids. I know he wants them. I know sometimes he stands aside if they have too shady of a third party around (John Wall), but maybe he's just trying to convince them the value of spending more than one year at school. Speaking truthfully, spending a couple years at UNC as a star on the basketball team is a pretty dope life if you don't mind going to class. Be worshiped by college brehettes and old heads for life.

john wall is one thing i will never forgive roy for

he grew up a unc fan and wanted us but roy never even offered him. 2010 never happens if we have him instead of that piece of shyt larry drew. who knows how different our recruiting would be if we had wall crack that one and done seal

 

[Jemmy]

I love how you're using this as the barometer for Roy's entire tenure at UNC. And it's not a genuine statement. Theo has been hurt 2 outta 3 years and Justin could've left both years if he wanted to. I don't know why people automatically assume something is wrong if a kid stays in school more than a year. Needless to say, minus the NCAA cloud Roy did well in recruiting, winning, and sending kids to the league early.

Study: Schools with most early NBA entries in one-and-done era

In 2014, when the chatter started about UNC sanctions, the recruiting suffered and he's just not landing the one and done talent. Brandon Ingram would've been in Chapel Hill if not for that.

5-Star SF Admits He Likely Would Have Committed To UNC Already If Not For NCAA Sanction Questions » The Spun

What's happening to UNC is more nuanced than just "Roy can't recruit or get guys to the league". In fact, Roy has done a masterful job considering. I wonder if you had this same nitpicking attitude about K and his 5 Burger Boys dropping 10 games last year without as much as a regular season or conference tourney title, let alone a national title.

There's nothing wrong with kids staying in college. I think kids should either leave high school or stay for 2. Kids don't care how much Coach K is losing they see the minutes available and no pressure with feeding the post all the time plus the USA stints helped. I say it helped him more than anything.

I'm sure Roy wouldn't mind these players but I don't see him going out his way to convince any of them to come here either especially when their thoughts are leaving before they even put a jersey on. ALOT of these kids have deep ties with shoe companies before they even come to campus. When you got reps from shoe companies joining players you're recruiting on campus I'm sure I'd be turned off too.

I do see Zion Williamson going to UNC though. They were recruiting him before anyone.

 

[Jemmy]

john wall is one thing i will never forgive roy for

he grew up a unc fan and wanted us but roy never even offered him. 2010 never happens if we have him instead of that piece of shyt larry drew. who knows how different our recruiting would be if we had wall crack that one and done seal

Brian Clifton wouldn't even allow Roy to recruit John Wall. Can't blame Roy on that one. Though something happened between them before Wall came into the picture. He did change his tune with Clifton when he wanted to recruit Rawle though.

 

[Tobias]

There's nothing wrong with kids staying in college. I think kids should either leave high school or stay for 2. Kids don't care how much Coach K is losing they see the minutes available and no pressure with feeding the post all the time plus the USA stints helped. I say it helped him more than anything.

I'm sure Roy wouldn't mind these players but I don't see him going out his way to convince any of them to come here either especially when their thoughts are leaving before they even put a jersey on. ALOT of these kids have deep ties with shoe companies before they even come to campus. When you got reps from shoe companies joining players you're recruiting on campus I'm sure I'd be turned off too.

I do see Zion Williamson going to UNC though. They were recruiting him before anyone.

supposedly us or clemson

 

[Tobias]

Brian Clifton wouldn't even allow Roy to recruit John Wall. Can't blame Roy on that one.

and now clifton facilitated the brandon huffman recruitment this fall

this world makes no sense

 

[Tobias]

this year:
pre-season ranked #6
week 7 (2 losses) ranked #8.
2 losses to #16 and #6 ranked opponents.

last year.
pre-season ranked #1
week 7 (2 losses) ranked #7.
2 losses to unranked opponents

all of this without theo. we're fine. still will have a great shot at playing on the last monday of the season

 

[Pressure]

this year:
pre-season ranked #6
week 7 (2 losses) ranked #8.
2 losses to #16 and #6 ranked opponents.

last year.
pre-season ranked #1
week 7 (2 losses) ranked #7.
2 losses to unranked opponents

all of this without theo. we're fine. still will have a great shot at playing on the last monday of the season

I don't disagree. I'd like to see Woods get more minutes and Luke Maye get less. As long as he remembers to call timeout and coach these kids down the stretch run in the tourney I'm fine with that.

This current Tar Heel iteration lacks players with that killer instinct and leadership on the court.

 

[Tobias]

I don't disagree. I'd like to see Woods get more minutes and Luke Maye get less. As long as he remembers to call timeout and coach these kids down the stretch run in the tourney I'm fine with that.

This current Tar Heel iteration lacks players with that killer instinct and leadership on the court.

seventh sucks. he cant even dribble. but you're right he needs more minutes just to play his way through this

i despise luke maye. roy detractors have a point there. it is inexcusable to have him play important minutes for a team with title aspirations