Official Trump Insurrection Rally 1/6/21 Fukkery, NY Probe, DOJ Probe & Georgia Probe Thread!

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Trump's out here calling for the termination of the constitution. I wonder why he's still free to say things like this

He’s walking around making the same flagrant election claims about Arizona as he did of the 2020 election because he is correctly assuming the DOJ is too p*ssy to hold him accountable.

I can’t fathom giving the DOJ and Congress for that matter, the benefit if the doubt on actually holding Trump personally responsible. I guess these posters weren’t around during the mega Mueller thread when we were all sure they were going to do something about this a$$hole. That was a hard lesson learned.
 

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I can’t fathom giving the DOJ and Congress for that matter, the benefit if the doubt....

Burden of Proof. It's incredibly easy for us to armchair litigate Trump but guilt has to be established and proven beyond a reasonable doubt in court. And then there is the issue of which crime will carry the most effective penalty because you're not going to get more than a couple of chances, if that many, to get him in front of a judge in a criminal trial before getting into double jeopardy territory.

If federal cases to bring down street organizations in RICO trials take years to establish, imagine the complexity to establish one or multiple against someone whose assets they can't just freeze or phones they can't just tap and whose associates they can't just snatch off the streets to threaten with cases in order to get them to cooperate.

I want him in a department of corrections jump suit of some kind like everybody else but we have to operate on reality and not what we want to happen.
 

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Burden of Proof. It's incredibly easy for us to armchair litigate Trump but guilt has to be established and proven beyond a reasonable doubt in court. And then there is the issue of which crime will carry the most effective penalty because you're not going to get more than a couple of chances, if that many, to get him in front of a judge in a criminal trial before getting into double jeopardy territory.

If federal cases to bring down street organizations in RICO trials take years to establish, imagine the complexity to establish one or multiple against someone whose assets they can't just freeze or phones they can't just tap and whose associates they can't just snatch off the streets to threaten with cases in order to get them to cooperate.

I want him in a department of corrections jump suit of some kind like everybody else but we have to operate on reality and not what we want to happen.
Theyve had Mueller testify under oath he could charge Trump with obstruction. No charges

They have Cohen testify trump is individual 1 with a check from Trump. No charges.

They had trump admit that the reason he fired Comey multiple times on TV because he wouldn't let it go. No charges

They have trump in possession of top secret documents for over a year. No charges.


Have trump on tape and on SM interfering in elections. No charges


Have trump inciting an insurrection and now calling for the end to the constitution. No charges.



You don't need proof. All that was need was an AG with a backbone. We got a meek politico instead
 

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Theyve had Mueller testify under oath he could charge Trump with obstruction. No charges

We'v been through this multiple times, Mueller referred the case to Congress because that was the only mechanism to remove a sitting president. Dems didn't have a majority so Congress was unsuccessful twice in the removal. Mueller wouldn't have been able to get criminal proceedings held considering Trump had a DOJ that favored him.

They have Cohen testify trump is individual 1 with a check from Trump. No charges.

Cohen cooperating against Trump required additional evidence and other corroborating witnesses since his implications were in regards to charges he himself were indicted on. Without other credible cooperators, NYAG had a weaker case on the word of a soon to be convicted felon.

They had trump admit that the reason he fired Comey multiple times on TV because he wouldn't let it go. No charges

Burden of Proof my boy. That single admission is not enough to secure an indictment, there has to be additional evidence showing intent.

They have trump in possession of top secret documents for over a year. No charges.

Actively being investigated as we speak, 3 potential statues violated 8 U.S.C. §§ 793 (fine or up to 10 years), 2071 (fine or up to 3 years) and 1519 (fine or up to 20 years).

But again, you have to read the gist of the statute in order to understand what DOJ has to prove

793 - is there evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that his possession of these documents was used to harm the US or benefit a foreign nation.
2071 - did he willfully conceal, remove, or destroy documents. This might be the only statute so far there is obvious proof to us on the outside looking in.
1519 - is there evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that his possession of these documents were used to impede or influence government matters or investigations.

If the evidence isn't strong, he could skate on a fine for each of these charges.

Have trump on tape and on SM interfering in elections. No charges

Being investigated in GA now. Another state investigation not DOJ.

Have trump inciting an insurrection and now calling for the end to the constitution. No charges.

We'll have to see what criminal referrals come out of the J6 committee and what evidence they passed to DOJ and what evidence DOJ has been able to capture in their own investigation. This is also on going.

You don't need proof. All that was need was an AG with a backbone. We got a meek politico instead

So out of all your examples, besides the Mueller investigation and Cohen's indictment, they all are currently still ongoing. We know there is at least one grand jury empaneled (GA).

You keep saying Garland let Trump walk but it looks like he's actively investigating him. You and I both know Barr's DOJ initiated no investigations into Trump to transfer to Garland's DOJ. So that means DOJ is working from scratch, so it'll be a while before we know if they're going to hold him accountable or not. No prosecuting attorney is bringing forth charges based on mainstream media reports and social media posts, you have to be realistic.
 

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We'v been through this multiple times, Mueller referred the case to Congress because that was the only mechanism to remove a sitting president. Dems didn't have a majority so Congress was unsuccessful twice in the removal. Mueller wouldn't have been able to get criminal proceedings held considering Trump had a DOJ that favored him.



Cohen cooperating against Trump required additional evidence and other corroborating witnesses since his implications were in regards to charges he himself were indicted on. Without other credible cooperators, NYAG had a weaker case on the word of a soon to be convicted felon.



Burden of Proof my boy. That single admission is not enough to secure an indictment, there has to be additional evidence showing intent.



Actively being investigated as we speak, 3 potential statues violated 8 U.S.C. §§ 793 (fine or up to 10 years), 2071 (fine or up to 3 years) and 1519 (fine or up to 20 years).

But again, you have to read the gist of the statute in order to understand what DOJ has to prove

793 - is there evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that his possession of these documents was used to harm the US or benefit a foreign nation.
2071 - did he willfully conceal, remove, or destroy documents. This might be the only statute so far there is obvious proof to us on the outside looking in.
1519 - is there evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that his possession of these documents were used to impede or influence government matters or investigations.

If the evidence isn't strong, he could skate on a fine for each of these charges.



Being investigated in GA now. Another state investigation not DOJ.



We'll have to see what criminal referrals come out of the J6 committee and what evidence they passed to DOJ and what evidence DOJ has been able to capture in their own investigation. This is also on going.



So out of all your examples, besides the Mueller investigation and Cohen's indictment, they all are currently still ongoing. We know there is at least one grand jury empaneled (GA).

You keep saying Garland let Trump walk but it looks like he's actively investigating him. You and I both know Barr's DOJ initiated no investigations into Trump to transfer to Garland's DOJ. So that means DOJ is working from scratch, so it'll be a while before we know if they're going to hold him accountable or not. No prosecuting attorney is bringing forth charges based on mainstream media reports and social media posts, you have to be realistic.
The charges of obstruction do not go through Congress. Only impeachment. Congress is not able to charge people with crimes only refer them. Mueller clearly states HE could charge Trump with obstruction after he left office. That case moves to the AG once his investigation ended. How do you guys not understand how government works? Garland starting from scratch lol that's the funniest thing I've ever heard. Most of the people on those cases were still there when garland arrived. He could have also reappointed them and started them back up if they were not. Just like Bragg could now.


 
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ATP the only way to fix the problems with the legal system is let trump burn everything to the ground. Democrats being soft on Trump may very well cost them their lives in the future. They've should've thrown everything at him the moment he wasn't POTUS. Instead, they have done the exact opposite and he's gotten worse. Extremists and Nazis on twitter, attacking clubs and power supply, republicans becoming more unhinged. This is just the start, just like the Philippines, Myanmar, etc. Democrats thinking they can talk sense into people who see them as a legitimate enemy to their way of life should get their heads out their ass.
 

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We'v been through this multiple times, Mueller referred the case to Congress because that was the only mechanism to remove a sitting president. Dems didn't have a majority so Congress was unsuccessful twice in the removal. Mueller wouldn't have been able to get criminal proceedings held considering Trump had a DOJ that favored him.


Um, you do realize he's not a sitting president anymore, right? So where are those charges? Why not just charge him for the shyt that you weren't able to charge him for before?
 

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The charges of obstruction do not go through Congress. Only impeachment. Congress is not able to charge people with crimes only refer them.
We all know this. Congress keeps being brought in because it was Congress that Mueller punted to for the next best thing, removal from office. Why is that? Because he wasn't going to successfully be able to bring Trump up on charges with Barr at the helm of DOJ. This is obvious, yet you keep ignoring it.

Mueller clearly states HE could charge Trump with obstruction after he left office. That case moves to the AG once his investigation ended. How do you guys not understand how government works? Garland starting from scratch lol that's the funniest thing I've ever heard. Most of the people on those cases were still there when garland arrived. He could have also reappointed them and started them back up if they were not. Just like Bragg could now.




Yes Mueller stated he could have charged Trump with obstruction and made 14 criminal referrals to Main Justice:

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Garland didn't get confirmed as AG until March 2021. He'd have to pickup the special counsel investigation and any initial investigation that was done by DOJ based on the above referrals (a referral is supposed to kick off at least an initial investigation). You and others expected Garland to hit the ground running and convening grand juries while both Biden and Garland were trying to de-politicize the DOJ. Wasn't going to happen that quick in any of our wildest dreams. It's also the reason he's been moving carefully on Trump (right or wrong) to avoid giving Trump and the GOP evidence of politically motivated retaliation.

I don't blame anyone for having no faith in Garland but this narrative that he's "just letting Trump walk" is clearly not true.
 

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Um, you do realize he's not a sitting president anymore, right? So where are those charges? Why not just charge him for the shyt that you weren't able to charge him for before?
See the post above. You do realize charging someone is not a guaranteed conviction right? Neither DOJ or any other smart prosecutor is going to bring forth charges they aren't as close to 100% certain they can obtain a conviction on.

Again, we have to work off of what's realistic rather than what we want to see happen.
 

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We all know this. Congress keeps being brought in because it was Congress that Mueller punted to for the next best thing, removal from office. Why is that? Because he wasn't going to successfully be able to bring Trump up on charges with Barr at the helm of DOJ. This is obvious, yet you keep ignoring it.



Yes Mueller stated he could have charged Trump with obstruction and made 14 criminal referrals to Main Justice:

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Garland didn't get confirmed as AG until March 2021. He'd have to pickup the special counsel investigation and any initial investigation that was done by DOJ based on the above referrals (a referral is supposed to kick off at least an initial investigation). You and others expected Garland to hit the ground running and convening grand juries while both Biden and Garland were trying to de-politicize the DOJ. Wasn't going to happen that quick in any of our wildest dreams. It's also the reason he's been moving carefully on Trump (right or wrong) to avoid giving Trump and the GOP evidence of politically motivated retaliation.

I don't blame anyone for having no faith in Garland but this narrative that he's "just letting Trump walk" is clearly not true.
Everyone knew Barr was never going to charge Trump. Look at the chart you posted. Most of those have expired WHILE garland was AG. The GOP is going to claim political bias regardless of what he does. Lol. The mental gymnastics you guys spin is great wrt to what garland has done. You've totally bought the BS narrative. Meanwhile, SOL expire with each passing day
 

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He’s walking around making the same flagrant election claims about Arizona as he did of the 2020 election because he is correctly assuming the DOJ is too p*ssy to hold him accountable.

I can’t fathom giving the DOJ and Congress for that matter, the benefit if the doubt on actually holding Trump personally responsible. I guess these posters weren’t around during the mega Mueller thread when we were all sure they were going to do something about this a$$hole. That was a hard lesson learned.


i took a massive L bruh
 
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