Official The Irishman Thread

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Anthony Lane in the New Yorker said the same thing about the daughter's role and her performance. I watched The Age of Innocence the other day, which is a brilliant Scorcese movie from 1993, somewhat in preparation to watch The Irishman, over next few days. I also saw The Godfather II earlier this week, in theaters, felt like taking a flight.
 

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I disagree. I thought the clichéd stares of scorn/disapproval were way too limited to explain the complex relationship with his daughter(s).

As for the film as a whole, it's good but I wouldn't consider it one of Scorsese's best. You feel the length quite a bit, and I think a lot of people misplace that length on the last act/epilogue when I think a lot of the picture could be edited a little tighter. One thing Scorsese does fantastically well here though is the slow-burn build-up of tension between Hoffa and the mob. It keeps churning and churning so when the time comes for the mob to make the call, it feels like a big moment. As said I thought the personal life of Sheeran's character was underwhelming and really just limited to exchanging glances with his estranged daughter, who's one of four daughters btw but outside of an actual conversation at the end they are even more of a non-factor than the estranged one. For all its length this is one bit that could've been expanded on more.

The acting throughout is great and I honestly can't call a favorite. DeNiro's reserved posture is excellent, but his performance suffers the most from the deaging trick because he moves like such an old-ass man. There's the spoilered scene above in this thread which is already destined to become a Twitter meme once the movie releases on Netflix, but another scene I want to share is where a 40/50-something Sheeran dumps one of his guns. It's a pretty insignifcant scene but it requires DeNiro to walk over some unstable rocks at the water side and he hobbles over them like he's afraid to break his hip, which probably was an actually concern while filming it.

Pesci also plays a more reserved character compared to his Goodfellas/Casino fame, but most importantly he just reminds you he's such a goddamn great actor. Pacino does his Pacino thing but in all fairness Hoffa is written to be a more extravagant performance so Pacino just bites into the material they give him. Every scene Hoffa shares with Tony Pro (Stephen Graham) is hilarious.

Last but not least, Scorsese still remains a master craftsman, the way he moves the camera through buildings is every bit as brilliant as it was thirty years ago and he just has this keen sense to frame shots in ways that are not really subtle but don't feel on-the-nose (like a lingering close-up shot of an envelope being put in one's pocket). Even in his old days he remains a teacher for every film director out there who thinks they know shyt.

Great summary :myman:
 

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I thought this was a long ride for a fairly mild payoff, but there was real pleasure, as another poster stated, in just watching Scorcese do what he loves, the intro, the first 30 or so. But, for me, the nostalgia wore off quickly, and the movie needed Pacino's appearance to add some energy, into what was rapidly becoming a very tired, very predictable, though expertly done, mob/crime movie.

The CGI went back and forth for me, at times it looked absurd, and others, I thought it was fine. Pacino's looked the best to me, probably because of the movie's time frame. I read the book in 2007, I was going through a severe Mafia fascination. Bits of the book came back to me, and the half dozen others I read about the Philly Mob, Testa, Bruno, Merlino, etc etc. The thing with a lot of those books, is that the characters do tend to be self aggrandizing blowhards, and Sheeran was especially so. I remember kind of reading in disbelief as he inserted himself into every major mob hit or meeting in like 20 years, and I felt the same way about scenes in the movie.

De Niro kind of plays him a bit too much like his character in Jackie Brown, which was maybe deliberate. Sometimes it was just too many old people, old gangsters, and their wives, smoking and driving, and wearing ugly clothes. The movie felt the length to me, about 90 minutes in. The last 30, the death beds, the Camry, the indignity of the casket scene, I liked the message, but felt the movie didn't really earn it, and wanted to have it both ways. The murders and killing felt flat to me, with no real edge of violence or tension. A lot of this felt like Scorcese and the rest going through the motions, the best moments of previous masterpieces, but in a story that lacked the edge of Goodfellas, and the trajectory of Casino. No one cares about this story, and I even read the book, and the movie doesn't make you care.

*The scene that was mentioned, I did indeed notice, that should have been handled differently.

*The roles of women in this, I would certainly say warrant some criticism, I mean for gods sake. Stares and cigarettes is about all they get.
 

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If “The Irishman” feels sadder and slower than anything he’s done before, it may be because, at last, he’s seeking to reckon with that reverence. Hence the wistful sequences, at the back end of the story, with a decrepit Russell confined to a wheelchair, in prison. Even here, however, amid the creaking pathos, the director can’t quite bring himself to cast doubt upon the credentials of his heroes; the clear implication remains “How are the mighty fallen,” whereas someone like Peggy would question how mighty they were to begin with. That’s the thing with wiseguys. They don’t grow any wiser. They live and die, like the rest of us, just a little before their time.

From The New Yorker review
 

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I really enjoyed the film I’ll provide a more in-depth review. I thought it could have been trimmed down a little and it might suffer from ppl expecting GoodFellas/Casino part 2. The vibe is different


The tension of Hoffa vs the mob build up was very well done and was my favorite aspect.
 
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