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I'd say it's almost a certainty that he was there when Hoffa got it. Gallo is the one where there is some doubt.

As far as whether he personally shot Hoffa, it's impossible to know,it wouldn't surprise me either way. But that really doesn't matter, he was the linchpin of the hit. There's no way Hoffa gets in that car without Sheeran being there. He was the one Hoffa felt he could trust with his life. That's how it is, that's why they got him to do it and not a thousand other guys.

Yeah the Gallo one is definitely iffy. It was all internal mob type shyt so I dont think they'd have someone who wasnt fully connected like Sheeran handle it..but who knows, Sheeran was known for taking care of shyt so its not impossible
 

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A lot to take in and it will take repeated viewings to know for sure but I think Scorsese has achieved something very special with this.

At the beginning of the film I just had a big smile on my face being back inside a Scorsese crime flick....that Mean Streets-esque doo wop music, the beautiful steadycam opening shot inside the nursing home, the immediate voice over narration, this almost anthropological look at organised crime, dark humour and then De Niro and Pesci sharing the screen again. Man, it's like coming back home to eat your mom's cooking. shyt was a joyous experience.

But the great thing about it is the that this isn't just Scorsese playing the hits. The film is a lot more restrained and still than his other mob films, and in some places, particularly the final stretch it's actually closer to his meditative dramas like Silence and Kundun.

But it's a beautiful mix of moods, between genuine melancholy to still classic Scorsese fukkery. The scenes between Pacino and Stephen Graham are :mjlol:

Pacino is a force of nature in every scene. Yes, he goes OTT shouty Al at times but honestly I don't give a fukk....it's great to see Al just go the fukk in with some great material.

Pesci though might be the stand out. It's a very low key performance. A million miles from his turns in Goodfellas nand Casino but he does so much with just small gestures and facial expressions. Really great performance and it's a damn shame he's been out the game so long when he can be this good.

The CGI was fine I thought. Not perfect but you do get used to it 20 minutes in. Biggest issue is the fact that at times De Niro is still moving around like an old man.

Like I said I need to rewatch but this might be his best work since Goodfellas.
Pesci was phenomenal is this. Pacino did his Pacino thing but as said it was great seeing Al in a epic crime flick. De Niro was okay to be honest - don’t think he had enough range for a guy that’s supposed to be carrying a 3 hour plus movie but he’s a legend so at worst he was decent. But supporting cast (Stephen Graham, Bobby carnavale, etc) were great. Herc as Fat Tony was funny too. It was a trip though to see the younger actors play older characters and schooling the older actors who were playing the younger characters. Mind blown....
 

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Pesci was phenomenal is this. Pacino did his Pacino thing but as said it was great seeing Al in a epic crime flick. De Niro was okay to be honest - don’t think he had enough range for a guy that’s supposed to be carrying a 3 hour plus movie but he’s a legend so at worst he was decent. But supporting cast (Stephen Graham, Bobby carnavale, etc) were great. Herc as Fat Tony was funny too. It was a trip though to see the younger actors play older characters and schooling the older actors who were playing the younger characters. Mind blown....

I think De Niro is good. His performance reminds me of his performance in Casino. He's like the straight man protagonist who we get to see the world through his eyes.
 

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Bob looked flabby as fukk stomping out the Shopkeeper after he pushed his kid - whole cinema was like :mjlol: :russ:
I'll post a more in-depth opinion but this scene had me dying for the same reason. I'm almost convinced the 200 million budget was partly blown up for all the retakes they had to do of these old people moving like flabby old people while supposedly being in their 40s. :russ:

Also random notes about the casting:
Maybe a lot of her scenes were cut but Brie Larson edit: Anna Paquin only spoke maybe three sentences in the whole damn thing. Action Bronson had more lines than she did in that random role they gave him. :deadmanny:
 
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I'll post a more in-depth opinion but this scene had me dying for the same reason. I'm almost convinced the 200 million budget was partly blown up for all the retakes they had to do of these old people moving like flabby old people while supposedly being in their 40s. :russ:

Also random notes about the casting:
Maybe a lot of her scenes were cut but Brie Larson only spoke maybe three sentences in the whole damn thing. Action Bronson had more lines than she did in that random role they gave him. :deadmanny:

Thats not Brie Larson, it's Anna Paquin. She was Rogue in the X-Men movies.
 

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I just realized that watching the credits. But she acted as stale and monotone as Larson did in Captain Marvel. :russ: I will edit it.
I don't think so breh. I think her role was really impactful despite how small it was. You could see the emotions on her face in some scenes. De Niro is just trying to have a relationship w/ his daughter, and she did a real great job in acting scorned.
 

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I don't think so breh. I think her role was really impactful despite how small it was. You could see the emotions on her face in some scenes. De Niro is just trying to have a relationship w/ his daughter, and she did a real great job in acting scorned.
I disagree. I thought the clichéd stares of scorn/disapproval were way too limited to explain the complex relationship with his daughter(s).

As for the film as a whole, it's good but I wouldn't consider it one of Scorsese's best. You feel the length quite a bit, and I think a lot of people misplace that length on the last act/epilogue when I think a lot of the picture could be edited a little tighter. One thing Scorsese does fantastically well here though is the slow-burn build-up of tension between Hoffa and the mob. It keeps churning and churning so when the time comes for the mob to make the call, it feels like a big moment. As said I thought the personal life of Sheeran's character was underwhelming and really just limited to exchanging glances with his estranged daughter, who's one of four daughters btw but outside of an actual conversation at the end they are even more of a non-factor than the estranged one. For all its length this is one bit that could've been expanded on more.

The acting throughout is great and I honestly can't call a favorite. DeNiro's reserved posture is excellent, but his performance suffers the most from the deaging trick because he moves like such an old-ass man. There's the spoilered scene above in this thread which is already destined to become a Twitter meme once the movie releases on Netflix, but another scene I want to share is where a 40/50-something Sheeran dumps one of his guns. It's a pretty insignifcant scene but it requires DeNiro to walk over some unstable rocks at the water side and he hobbles over them like he's afraid to break his hip, which probably was an actually concern while filming it.

Pesci also plays a more reserved character compared to his Goodfellas/Casino fame, but most importantly he just reminds you he's such a goddamn great actor. Pacino does his Pacino thing but in all fairness Hoffa is written to be a more extravagant performance so Pacino just bites into the material they give him. Every scene Hoffa shares with Tony Pro (Stephen Graham) is hilarious.

Last but not least, Scorsese still remains a master craftsman, the way he moves the camera through buildings is every bit as brilliant as it was thirty years ago and he just has this keen sense to frame shots in ways that are not really subtle but don't feel on-the-nose (like a lingering close-up shot of an envelope being put in one's pocket). Even in his old days he remains a teacher for every film director out there who thinks they know shyt.
 
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