Official Syrian Conflict Thread

[Dr. Acula]

What does the West have to do with whether the war continues or not? What actions can the US make tomorrow that will wind down the conflict? I don’t see any. Opponents of any military action want to have their cake and eat it too. The determining factor on whether the status quo will change, is whether Assad remains in power or not. You can not wish into existence a peaceful, stable Syria as long as the regime and its backers are fully committed to zero political concessions.

If anything yesterday’s strike emphasizes that the main aims of the American presence continue to be focused on the anti ISIS mission. The attacks were extremely contained, by design, to avoid much direct impact on the regime outside of its chemical weapons ability. The US even sent a message to rebels in Southern Syria, warning them that the action should not be interpreted as direct action against the regime.


Opponents of military action against the regime seem to be arguing with strawmen sometimes and they never revisit their arguments after action actually takes place Last night was no different. We heard constant refrains that any strike would be catastrophic. It took place, nothing apolcalyptic happened, and they don’t revisit this claim. If you want to have a direct influence on the political situation, then IMO attacks on the regimes Air Force and command and control at least open the door to changing their political calculus. But make no mistake, that while advocating zero action may be in American interest, it does little to end the war.

You admit that there is nothing the west can do to solve the conflict and bring stability back but at the same time chastize those who don't want the US specifically to get further involved. This seems contradictory. Given the dismal state and almost hopeless realities right now, then to me it sounds like the best solution is to stay out and at least not spend millions of dollars and possibly kill more people on using American military to bomb the place.

Also admit that at this point Assad government is the only thing resembling stability in the near future and admit defeat on this front. As I think you and others have stated, the time of regime overthrowing with minimal issues has passed. The game is lost. No reason to sink anymore cost and help prolongue the situation further. This isn't being supportive of Assad and you can at the same time thing if he got a bullet in the head , it wouldn't be too bad. But maybe once the country stablizes somewhat that can be a less destructive option .

 

[ORDER_66]

Because I was in the military and I know how the real world works instead of bytching on the computer all day about bullshyt conspiracies.

So your cool with rich white men behind the scenes sending your friends to their deaths.... for profit... cool.. everything you and your friends have fought for in the military in the name of freedom has been a lie... and before you get your panties in the bunch my granddaddy and daddy was both military...

fukk fighting a white man's war... all you is is a pawn on the board..

 

[Jigganaut]

So your cool with rich white men behind the scenes sending your friends to their deaths.... for profit... cool.. everything you and your friends have fought for in the military in the name of freedom has been a lie... and before you get your panties in the bunch my granddaddy and daddy was both military...

fukk fighting a white man's war... all you is is a pawn on the board..

Conspiracies are real sometimes man. Tuskegee experiments, CIA and crack.

 

[Donald J Trump]

So your cool with rich white men behind the scenes sending your friends to their deaths.... for profit... cool.. everything you and your friends have fought for in the military in the name of freedom has been a lie... and before you get your panties in the bunch my granddaddy and daddy was both military...

fukk fighting a white man's war... all you is is a pawn on the board..

He dont understand that lol
prolly a cac

most nikkas that was in the military dont go around throwing it in everyones face

and they also understand the wars they was fighting in was bullshyt

tbh a lot of cacs understand that too

 

[ORDER_66]

Conspiracies are real sometimes man. Tuskegee experiments, CIA and crack.

This dude said he lives in the REAL world!!!! he honestly believes in his heart that the American govt would NEVER LIE TO HIM!!!!!

 

[killacal]

Because I was in the military and I know how the real world works instead of bytching on the computer all day about bullshyt conspiracies.

Be willingly brainwashed by white men brehs

Explains you as a poster

 

[ORDER_66]

Be willingly brainwashed by white men brehs

Explains you as a poster

The jingoistic brainwashing of stupid soldiers is real.... human weapons with no brain or thought deserve neither...

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

ISIS was 90% destroyed ?


This is my problem with HL posters . Just saying anything to post.

All that was left was pretty much Raqqa...

They had lost roughly all their territory in Iraq and the Mosul offensive was three months from completion before Cheeto was sworn in...

He literally did nothing but let Obamas planning and tactics play out there course...

We going to give him credit for what Obama did?

 

[Pressure]

I'm not supporting this white supremacists nation shell and kill thousands of people over supposed chemical agents in a crowded city. fukk trump

Nah, the chemical attack happened. And instead of keeping it a buck you're on some fukk shyt.

You can oppose war AND be consistent.

 

[Cat piss martini]

Trump with a Mission Accomplished tweet... this will age well...

give the enemy a heads up a week before
bombing 3 junk yards while blowing millions of tax payers
money to injure 3 people breh.
mission accomplished huh idiot?

 

[BoBurnz]

ISIS was 90% destroyed ?


This is my problem with HL posters . Just saying anything to post.

Yes, they've lost almost all their key holdings, Mosul fell, they've been almost 100% ousted from Iraq other than the occasional feint or skirmish, they have lost over 2/3rds of their oil revenue and are left with the barren wastes of Syria and Al Raqqa and pieces of Idlib and Deir El Ezzor as their last strongholds, with most of Idlib and El Ezzor lost to the Russians and Syrian regime.

ISIS is a shell shambling to it's inevitable death, there's nothing left of the fore it was, it possesses no ability to project and it's leadership is all but gone.

 

[BoBurnz]

You admit that there is nothing the west can do to solve the conflict and bring stability back but at the same time chastize those who don't want the US specifically to get further involved. This seems contradictory. Given the dismal state and almost hopeless realities right now, then to me it sounds like the best solution is to stay out and at least not spend millions of dollars and possibly kill more people on using American military to bomb the place.

Also admit that at this point Assad government is the only thing resembling stability in the near future and admit defeat on this front. As I think you and others have stated, the time of regime overthrowing with minimal issues has passed. The game is lost. No reason to sink anymore cost and help prolongue the situation further. This isn't being supportive of Assad and you can at the same time thing if he got a bullet in the head , it wouldn't be too bad. But maybe once the country stablizes somewhat that can be a less destructive option .

The problem is that Al Assad doesn't want stability. He wants this insurgency to continue in perpetuity as it gives him reasonable justification to wield absolute power and continue his campaigns of detainment and mass execution of dissenters that present not a military, but political and social threat to his continued exploitation of the Shi'a, Sunni, and Christian people of Syria, while Latakia remains nearly untouched by the war and the Alawite minority get fat and full off the corpse of the country.

This is exactly what he wants, we can lament the fact and acknowledge that it's wrong while also understanding there are no options other than the current situation to diffuse it.

 

[ShenJingPoQi]

If this is true, the biggest winner of the Syrian conflict is Iran. The military experience they obtained from the conflict is invaluable. If Syria during a 7 war can easily knock out American missiles; imagine the defense capabilities of an untied nation of 80 million people. Iran secretly is a formidable opponent for America now; obviously America would win a war against them but it will be bloody, costly and easily be another Vietnam. This conflict has strengthen Iran in all aspects; they would be licking their lips now.

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

alex jones crying

 

[BoBurnz]

If this is true, the biggest winner of the Syrian conflict is Iran. The military experience they obtained from the conflict is invaluable. If Syria during a 7 war can easily knock out American missiles; imagine the defense capabilities of an untied nation of 80 million people. Iran secretly is a formidable opponent for America now; obviously America would win a war against them but it will be bloody, costly and easily be another Vietnam. This conflict has strengthen Iran in all aspects; they would be licking their lips now.

It's patently untrue, however. A rag-tag poorly trained group of Syrian army corpsman who probably barely even know how the missile defense platforms work shot down over 70% of the missiles the most militarily advanced nation in human history threw at them?

It's propaganda. The number is probably around the 13-18 that a lot of sources have reported on which is well within a reasonable margin for error.

The US would run through Iran's army like a knife through butter.