Official Syrian Conflict Thread

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Man shut yo cho c00n ass up.. prolly never fired a gun but ready to go to war


“Just the type of people you don’t need around you”

nikka you over 30 in ya momma basement apu

I'm supposed to oppose every military conflict I didn't participate in?

Is that the line of logic we're following?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

WAS THERE EVEN AN INVESTIGATION INTO PROVING THAT HE DID IT??? How many times have the american govt lied to you and you believe it wholeheartedly???

Heres a secret, idiot.

The USA has surveillance on every inch of Syria.

They know every single aircraft and whats on each plane and whats at each location.

They know who dropped the bomb. When. Where. Etc.

 

[Colilluminati]

Spouting a bunch of random conspiracy idiocy doesn't dismiss from the reality of what happend in Syria. I've been paying intimate attention to this conflict since it began in early 2012 when the first generals began to defect and began the Homs offensive. You have literally no idea what you are talking about, you have no idea what the situation there is, how it developed, why it developed the way it did and how things have happened since.

Yes, ISIS was brought down in large part due to the Obama administration, in conjunction with the Iraqi government which the Obama administration propped up and kept the Iraqi army afloat to recoup and re-train in order to take back the country. Which they did despite over 2/3rds of the army deserting when ISIS began it's first offensive into the country. I personally consider the US keeping Iraq above water and the army together during that period to be one of Obama's few, but shining, foreign achievements that should be lauded.

Russian intervention has had a base minimal impact against ISIS until last year, they have predominantly focused on fighting in Damascus, Homs, Hama, Aleppo and destroyed most of the remaining radicalized factions of the in-name only FSA which had been entirely co-opted by hardline islamists. The Russian's had zero impact in driving ISIS from Iraq and the US has made literally thousands of strikes on key ISIS positions in the Lev and has absolutely slaughtered their leadership.

The US funded the few remaining cells within the FSA and elsewhere that were controllable elements, more often than not, Jabat Al-Nusra would come in and kill off an FSA batallion and simply steal their equipment, that's how they became so well armed and organized so quickly. Jabat Al-Nusra and ISIS are not and were never allies, and ISIS grew because many FSA battalions and regiments defected when they realized the war was unwinnable or that throwing their lot in with the caliphate was better than death.

ISIS is an Iraqi based organization, fam.

I stopped reading when you said conspiracy. There is nothing but proof to back everything I am saying . Was it not John Kerry who said they basically watched and waited as ISIS took off because they thought it would make the president of Syria negotiate with America? BUT RUSSIA SHOWED UP AND PUT IN WORK FOR SYRIA

LOL

This is John Kerry talking not me .

Was it not leaked America’s allies in the Middle East were providing support to Isis?

Nothing I am saying is a conspiracy .

How many times did Isis get medical supplies,weapons,money, food by “ACCIDENT” from The Obama administration ?

The conspiracy is AMERIKKKA wants to bring Democracy to the Middle East .

Instead of you trying to prove to me Obama did the right thing and Trump is doing the wrong thing why can’t you just admit they are BOTH horrible with they’re Middle East strategy ?


This is why the American army is tearing up the world because of PATHETIC Americans like you who don’t want to equally blame bad politicians .


Obama’s CIA was funding rebels to fight the SYRIAN PRESIDENT/MILITARY

What rebels else the Syrian PRESIDENT/MILATARY ??


Isis

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile...east/cia-syria-rebel-arm-train-trump.amp.html


Trump Ends Covert Aid to Syrian Rebels Trying to Topple Assad



I know it’s hard to believe your a fakkkit who doesn’t know what he’s talking about , but it’s all true .

Toyota trucks don’t buy themselves

 

[Colilluminati]

“The reason Russia came in is because ISIL was getting stronger,” Mr. Kerry said on the recording, posted on the website of AMN News, an online aggregator of material focused on the Middle East. “[The Islamic State] was threatening the possibility of going to Damascus and so forth. We were watching. We saw that [the Islamic State] was growing in strength, and we thought Assad was threatened.

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“We thought, however, we could probably manage. You know, that Assad might then negotiate,” Mr. Kerry said. “Instead of negotiating he got [Russian President Vladimir] Putin to support him.

“It’s truly complicated,” Mr. Kerry said.



Russia also fight the CIA backed rebels .

Man almost every line of this post is wrong.

 

[ZoeGod]

It's patently untrue, however. A rag-tag poorly trained group of Syrian army corpsman who probably barely even know how the missile defense platforms work shot down over 70% of the missiles the most militarily advanced nation in human history threw at them?

It's propaganda. The number is probably around the 13-18 that a lot of sources have reported on which is well within a reasonable margin for error.

The US would run through Iran's army like a knife through butter.

War with Iran will not go down like Iraq or Libya. You ever heard of Millennium Challenge 2002? It basically was a war game that simulated what war with Iran would be like. Iran has a couple of advantages. One is geography. Second is that they would fight no a conventional war with the US. But an asymmetrical war against the US. It won't be a conventional war. It will an asymmetrical war. The Iranian coast in the Persian Gulf is vast. Plus the cost is a labyrinth of small islands. Iran has thousands of anti-ship missiles like C-802, Sunburn, Yakhont. Plus Iranian versions of those missiles which they successfully built. Their speedboats are also equipped with those missiles. They will use guerrilla tactics. That means fire missiles and flee to the labyrinth of rocky islands.

Plus the coast is very narrow. The anti ship missiles are very fast on their own. With a much narrow coast the Aegis systems will detect the missile only second before impact. That means the ship will have no time to for countermeasures. Not to mention Iran will set mines. And on top of that Iran would fire salvos of ballistic missiles along with dangerous anti-ship missiles to overwhelm American ships defenses.
Iran then would fire hundreds of ballistic missiles to Saudi oil infrastructure and activate their Shia proxies in the eastern province to start an armed insurrection.
Imagine Gulf desalination plants and electrical grid system destroyed. Imagine no water and electricity in Saudi Arabia? The country would turn into Yemen overnight. It will force the Saudis to fight a two-front war with the Houthi forces and Shia militias in the east. Shia militias in Iraq would start targeting US forces in Iraq. Iran would dump about 500 sea mines in the Persian gulf and Straigh of Hormuz. That alone would take months to clear up. Oil would skyrocket to record highs and the global economy would plunge into a depression. Since the Persian Gulf and Straights of Hormuz is so narrow US ships would be forces to be sitting out in the Indian Ocean.That bring up another dilemma. What if the Fifth Fleet is taking massive losses? How would they go and save them. Plus the further a US aircraft carries is from Iran the less likely they will carry heavier bombs which means their strikes will be limited in nature.


And on top of this, the air war would be hard to implement. Iran has the S-300 which is a game changer.
Iran's use of S-300 isn't to defeat the US air force. The US will simply use cruise missiles and stealth bombers to take them out. However, the fact that the US will have to destroy the S-300's before sending in conventional air force means that Iran buys time to use its military to retaliate against US interests. Without S-300 much of Iran's offensive abilities wouldn't last past the second or third wave. With the S-300 the first and second wave attacks will be against the air defense and not the offensive abilities. That is to say, it will protect Iran's deterrence ability and increase the cost of a war.
The problem with the S300 is that the US will have to focus solely on taking out the S300. That means they will have to ignore Iran's anti-ship missiles, ballistic missiles site, and other targets to focus taking out the S300. There is a reason they weren't thrilled that Iran was going to get them. It makes an air campaign in Iran much harder. What does that mean? More American casualties and the chaos spreads

This is why no one wanted war with Iran. The reason is that Iran's response would spread more chaos and destruction in the region. Meanwhile, you wouldn't win. It would be a stalemate. It would be like the Lebanon 2006 war on a grander scale. In the end, the US would have gained nothing. Only heavy casulties,a region is even more chaos,a global economy in total ruin.

 

[thatrapsfan]

The bold is my issue though: Assad is still in power and there’s little evidence that he’ll be losing power anytime soon, so long as Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah back him up. He continues to gain ground. This was the situation yesterday, and this remains the situation now.

Assad’s fate is the crux of this whole situation, even from a geopolitical standpoint. Iran, Russia, and Hezbollah benefit if Assad stays in power, one way or the other. Israel and Saudi Arabia benefit by having Assad out. The US initially tried training some of the rebel forces during the Obama years, so they aren’t bystanders in this either. Then they funded the Kurds via the SDF, which yielded a lot of results against ISIS, but further complicated the conflict altogether by drawing Turkey’s involvement. The fact that this new round of attacks were this contained shows how complicated this war has become, and how useless this overall endeavor is becoming.

Unless the West can find away to get Assad out without destabilizing the country and/or ending up in an open conflict with Russia, Iran, etc, then they are wasting their time. Their focus should be to find a way (preferably political) to help end the war or just move on.

The fight against ISIS is finally winding down. What happens when ISIS is taken care of? The US stays indefinitely like Tillerson said not long ago? Or the US decides to focus on Assad, further complicating an already complicated situation?

For the record, I’m not an Assad apologist or an Assad supporter. He is a brutal dictator who comitted crimes many times. That is a fact. I just want the war to end. The war ending is far better than this deadly, complicated, never-ending shyt show we’ve witnessed for seven years. It’s gone for far too long.

For the record I don’t think you, or all opponents of military action in general, are Assad apologists. When I used that label I was referring to people who deploy all sorts of conspiracies to obsfucate his role in the war.

I think we may just disagree on what a plausible path forward towards ending the war may be. I don’t think the American role right now is a serious hurdle towards drawing down the main conflict between the regime and its opponents. In my view, the only way the war can end is through some degree of political settlement that involves genuine concessions from the regime, however imperfect like a Taif agreement. I don’t include Assad actually going amongst those concessions, or even being held to any sort of account.

The status quo scorched earth path, guarantees more refugees ahead, more deaths, more destruction of urban infrastructure and no chance any of the new or existing refugees ever return.

 

[ORDER_66]

Heres a secret, idiot.

The USA has surveillance on every inch of Syria.

They know every single aircraft and whats on each plane and whats at each location.

They know who dropped the bomb. When. Where. Etc.

Like I said..... IDIOT.... You in your heart believes the govt at face value knowing full and well they want assad out for the longest?!? can you honestly say that this is not a frame job??? Also wtf does this has to do with the U.S. Bottom line the entire syria issue has NOTHING to do with the united states... but they are always involving themselves again in shyt they got nothing to do with... There's deeper issue going on... It makes literally 0 sense assad would gas his own people it's TOO convenient... #Neverforgettheyellowcake

 

[Dr. Acula]

I wish yall would just say, "fukk those people who got gassed" and be done with it.

Theres no real morality with some of yall.

Remove the use of chemical weapons and lets be "pragmatic" smart guys like you seem to think of yourself. Lets not deal in moral terms.

The US is not going to "Win" in Syria. That time has passed without risking a major conflict with Iran and Russia. You're not getting rid of Assad and he is currently winning the "fight" even according US military analysts. So at this point, being pragmatic, what are you hoping will be won in continuing messing around in Syria besides a waste of money, lives, and time? To really "Win" you need to commit ground troops and escalation of hostilities with Russia in particular and there is no politician currently who has the political clout to get the American public to agree with this.

P.S. Just a side note, we know that most of our activities to overthrow Saddam and interferring with Iraq was to get a hold of oil in Iraq and Kuwait (during the first gulf war), yet in a previous post you say you're against action in Iraq. Given your belief in projecting military power not for moral reasons but as a way of "winning" some geopolitical game and attaining resources, why would you be against the Iraq war? Your world view matches up with those who started that war.

 

[staticshock]

I wish yall would just say, "fukk those people who got gassed" and be done with it.

Theres no real morality with some of yall.

You can’t argue with these fools in here.

They somehow equate supporting military actions means we support Trump


Whether Y’all want to believe it or not, some other countries do fukked up things and because of our military power we can play world police.

Every foreign country I’ve been to when I was in the service folks told us how grateful they were for us.

Continue to live yall fairytale world where if it wasn’t for America there would be world peace

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Remove the use of chemical weapons and lets be "pragmatic" smart guys like you seem to think of yourself. Lets not deal in moral terms.

The US is not going to "Win" in Syria. That time has passed without risking a major conflict with Iran and Russia. You're not getting rid of Assad and he is currently winning the "fight" even according US military analysts. So at this point, being pragmatic, what are you hoping will be won in continuing messing around in Syria besides a waste of money, lives, and time? To really "Win" you need to commit ground troops and escalation of hostilities with Russia in particular and there is no politician currently who has the political clout to get the American public to agree with this.

P.S. Just a side note, we know that most of our activities to overthrow Saddam and interferring with Iraq was to get a hold of oil in Iraq and Kuwait (during the first gulf war), yet in a previous post you say you're against action in Iraq. Given your belief in projecting military power not for moral reasons but as a way of "winning" some geopolitical game and attaining resources, why would you be against the Iraq war? Your world view matches up with those who started that war.

Oh, so its all or nothing now?

We lost Syria 4 years ago.


Bruh, just fukking deal with it. We did the right thing last night. Move on. Grow some fukking nuts.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Like I said..... IDIOT.... You in your heart believes the govt at face value knowing full and well they want assad out for the longest?!? can you honestly say that this is not a frame job??? Also wtf does this has to do with the U.S. Bottom line the entire syria issue has NOTHING to do with the united states... but they are always involving themselves again in shyt they got nothing to do with... There's deeper issue going on... It makes literally 0 sense assad would gas his own people it's TOO convenient... #Neverforgettheyellowcake

Its possible the Brazilians did it for plausible deniability.

I see your point.

I never thought of that

Didn't make sense for Saddam to use gas either too...maybe it was the Chinese

 

[Dr. Acula]

Oh, so its all or nothing now?



Bruh, just fukking deal with it. We did the right thing last night. Move on. Grow some fukking nuts.

Its nothing as of now. You won nothing, the calculus as far as what happens in Syria is not going to change. So this only cements how hollow your beliefs are. You can't even articulate why as you said "I hope they drop more bombs". You're not even attaining the goal you want which is minimizing Assad's and by proxy Russia's support in the region. Here is what happened last night. American and other countries reacted to something happen. The reaction solved no problem or did anything besides allow them to gain political clout domestically that they are tough on Assad for using chemical weapons. The thing is, I've spoken to more people who don't think more highly of the West because of this. So they didn't even attain that goal I think. Also the hypocrisy is palpable when the US and Israel both argue they not wrong in using White Phosphorous ammunition which burns people to death inside out with a chemical reaction in violation of international law.

P.S. Being a standard chicken hawk on a website doesn't mean you have "nuts".

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Keep believing the U.S. media and war machine when they have outright killed people for snitching on their activities... and used the CIA for killing democratic leaders overseas just to keep money flowing in the pockets of rich white men, meanwhile we struggling here on the streets and getting mowed down by cops with impunity...

And?

 

[ORDER_66]

And?

You know what..... Just stick to the Trump impeachment fukking story because your not seeing the bigger picture, nearsighted fukkboi... Your sucking too much imperialistic american dikk to be objective...

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@Behelit supports the Russian military and Assad. And thats, that. At least we're finally being honest.