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If you feel that way then don’t ever watch Ozark
Warren Peace
Superstar
They went through literally no growth the entire series. The series literally ends where it started except Tom the cuckhold ends up running shyt. Pointless ass show honestly.
Warren Peace
Superstar
I know what you’re saying, but she was actually the worst. Like literally the worst. She might be worse than Skylar White.I don’t know. Shiv is pretty likeable.
KalKal
Superstar
Roman showed growth, but he started as a piece of crap and remained a piece of crap.
Greg showed negative growth, but that's still growth
I think Connor actually did show the most growth. Still kind of a dumbass, but less so.
As for the rest...they basically revealed they were garbage humans the whole time, even if they were sometimes ok at hiding it.
Warren Peace
Superstar
just felt like a massive waste of time. lmao it's like they saw how game of thrones ended and said "oh yeah we can do that too"Roman showed growth, but he started as a piece of crap and remained a piece of crap.
Greg showed negative growth, but that's still growth
I think Connor actually did show the most growth. Still kind of a dumbass, but less so.
As for the rest...they basically revealed they were garbage humans the whole time, even if they were sometimes ok at hiding it.
steadyrighteous
Veteran
Character growth and plot development are two different things.
Most people are used to character growth and the plot staying somewhat the same. And in reality, characters in most shows don't grow, they just change. In many shows characters change to shift around the story as it moves but people mistake that for character growth.
It's a more nuanced thing to watch adults whose personalities have been formed by their upbringing and surroundings have to deal with the world around them as it changes.
Because in reality, most people beyond a certain point don't change. They either adapt or sink, but they don't actually change. Especially if nothing about their lives has ever required them to change or learn the survival skills to adapt. All of Logan's kids grew up living a life where the world revolved around them. We met all of them when they were at least 30, if not close to 40 or 50 years old in the case of Connor. And not only were they grown in age, they were spoiled and privileged, and lived in a world where everything they did, wanted and lived for revolved around their father. So essentially, the living room family moments of trying to get your dad's attention when you were 10 never stopped, they just put on suits and started cursing. So they never had to grow up, all they did was age.
So all that was going to happen with people like that is the world was going to change and their circumstances were going to change, but they were unable to adapt to it because of their upbringing. They were wholly unprepared for life because they had no lives. They weren't whole, real people.
The only person who saw it for what it was, and was trying to either change or change them, was the man who didn't grow up rich and had to learn to adapt, grow and pivot his whole life.
Then he died, leaving a bunch of planets without a sun to revolve around.
And the only person who did truly grow was the one who didn't grow up like they did, so he had to adapt or die.
And he ended up running the company.
How else was it supposed to go?
Most people are used to character growth and the plot staying somewhat the same. And in reality, characters in most shows don't grow, they just change. In many shows characters change to shift around the story as it moves but people mistake that for character growth.
It's a more nuanced thing to watch adults whose personalities have been formed by their upbringing and surroundings have to deal with the world around them as it changes.
Because in reality, most people beyond a certain point don't change. They either adapt or sink, but they don't actually change. Especially if nothing about their lives has ever required them to change or learn the survival skills to adapt. All of Logan's kids grew up living a life where the world revolved around them. We met all of them when they were at least 30, if not close to 40 or 50 years old in the case of Connor. And not only were they grown in age, they were spoiled and privileged, and lived in a world where everything they did, wanted and lived for revolved around their father. So essentially, the living room family moments of trying to get your dad's attention when you were 10 never stopped, they just put on suits and started cursing. So they never had to grow up, all they did was age.
So all that was going to happen with people like that is the world was going to change and their circumstances were going to change, but they were unable to adapt to it because of their upbringing. They were wholly unprepared for life because they had no lives. They weren't whole, real people.
The only person who saw it for what it was, and was trying to either change or change them, was the man who didn't grow up rich and had to learn to adapt, grow and pivot his whole life.
Then he died, leaving a bunch of planets without a sun to revolve around.
And the only person who did truly grow was the one who didn't grow up like they did, so he had to adapt or die.
And he ended up running the company.
How else was it supposed to go?
steadyrighteous
Veteran
And none of that is to say "you watched it wrong" or "you didn't get it"
It's just to say, "maybe that kind of show wasn't for you"
It's just to say, "maybe that kind of show wasn't for you"
It wasn't a long period of time...?
Warren Peace
Superstar
look it's not about the in world passage of time, it's about how the show operates as a journey, and to me it just felt flat and redundant at time.
season 1 kendall loses. season 2 (the best) logan maneuvers the fallout. season 3 kendall loses again, but this time with shiv and roman. season 4 logan starts the cleanup, then dies which sets up kendall losing again. it's like goddamn how many times do we have to see the same thing. i kept watching in hopes of us ending up someone unique or different, but it just never happened.
fukk tom.
Mister_DoItNice
Leading The Regime
daemonova
hit it, & I didn't go Erykah Badu crazy, #yallmad
look it's not about the in world passage of time, it's about how the show operates as a journey, and to me it just felt flat and redundant at time.
season 1 kendall loses. season 2 (the best) logan maneuvers the fallout. season 3 kendall loses again, but this time with shiv and roman. season 4 logan starts the cleanup, then dies which sets up kendall losing again. it's like goddamn how many times do we have to see the same thing. i kept watching in hopes of us ending up someone unique or different, but it just never happened.
fukk tom.
daemonova
hit it, & I didn't go Erykah Badu crazy, #yallmad
Sarah Snook better win whatever award she's up for, because all these months later I'm still mad at Shiv's final act
