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[Ozymandeas]

She is literally the worst.

It was a draw for her either way. Side with her husband or her brother. She’s connected either way and still has her money.

I rarely use this term to describe a fellow woman, but she is a literal b!tch.

Yea Shiv is THE WORST

I watched The White Princess a few months ago. Which is essentially the real life Game of Thrones. It ended exactly the same. Side with the brother or side with the husband? Ken should’ve known what time it was

 

[re'up]

Getting to the show years late, I never realized it was so funny, it', s actually hilarious, one of the best dark comedies of all time, and less like "Billions" and more like Mad Men, with HBO production values, its' really a very sharply dialed satire, which Mad Men, was not. I ignored it all these years for whatever dumb and inaccurate reasons. Thought it was like a more serious show.

all the back and forth about who is worse, who is better, who really deserves it, (probably none of them) is kind of beside the point to me. Even the palace intrigue of whose the CEO is not really the point, thus knowing what happens in the finale, and having about 20 episodes left doesn't bother me.

it's a show totally about style, and comedy, and showcasing/satirizing/critiquing various aspects of modern "intellegesntia" life

The Sun Valley satire
Nonsense corporate speak
The toothlessness of Senate hearings
The hypocrisy of politics
The PR spin of corporations
The absurdity of Broadway
Politics of the Department of Justice/Southern District
Absurdity of high profile lawyers, ex Lisa Bloom/Lisa Arthur
"liberal" media marketing, social media marketing

very sharp criticism of both liberal and conservative "values", as shown through archetypes, The Pierces and the Roys, and types of class.

I get it's a very human thing but the CEO role is kind of not even important at all. It's a set piece for the rest of the shows intentions.

 

[Avisible Man]

Greg was playing both sides almost fukked up but escaped with a win

Greg the Egg. AKA Ronald McDonald

 

[Gloxina]

Shiv was told, directly and indirectly, that she is the girl and she can't do this shyt multiple times, so I really don't blame her for using the power she has - Tom's child - in making her decision.

Having Tom's kid gives her a bargaining chip with the current CEO that she wouldn't have with Kendall. Oh well, shouldn't have consistently sidelined her. She don't love that man Tom, either, as is obvious by how she didn't really hold his hand in the car. But hey, the boys constantly undercut Shiv and left her out consistently, so she got the message. The best she can do is the woman behind the man, so Tom is her logical play.

What a GOAT ending. I didn't get to see Kendall finally drown himself, but I can imagine it (since it's implied) forever. That dude is truly the WOAT piece of shyt character in any show in a long time. Well, maybe other than Roman.

Now, this is an excellent point. As a woman, I’m not mad at the play. Like I said a few min ago, it was a draw for her either way. She wasn’t going to actually have any direct power. But yes- having Tom’s child is what gives her more power in this scenario.

This is also the thing…when girls/women are taught to “know their place”, we understand that there’s a day you have more power being the wife than the sister or daughter, cousin, etc.
Kendall turned into his father (well, he tried), and Shiv…is turning into her mother. Kinda what happens when girls are married off.


I’m simply bothered because this was so fake of her. Why go through the whole thing last night and then wait until you’re at the vote to be super dramatic and change your vote? So she just lied, played along and played them until the end, or she really changed her mind that morning?

 

[FromStLouis]

Hopefully they all get a chance to grow up now that there isn't a reason for them to be in eachother's circumference because that was fukking childish.

They sounded like teenagers arguing over who dad said could borrow the car Friday night.

I think CEO represented adulthood for Kendall and sibling rivalry robbed him of it.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

She is literally the worst.

It was a draw for her either way. Side with her husband or her brother. She’s connected either way and still has her money.

I rarely use this term to describe a fellow woman, but she is a literal b!tch.

Yea Shiv is THE WORST

She has more power/sway with Tom.

Are all yall ignoring the fact that Kendall said he told them he didnt kill the waiter as a ploy? That straight up destroyed everything imo. That was one of their biggest bonding moments......and Kendall said it was a ploy. Even if Shiv flipped, Rome would change his vote after that. That proved to them how manipulative Kendall was or that he is still in denial about it.

 

[Black Mamba]

Shiv was told, directly and indirectly, that she is the girl and she can't do this shyt multiple times, so I really don't blame her for using the power she has - Tom's child - in making her decision.

Having Tom's kid gives her a bargaining chip with the current CEO that she wouldn't have with Kendall. Oh well, shouldn't have consistently sidelined her. She don't love that man Tom, either, as is obvious by how she didn't really hold his hand in the car. But hey, the boys constantly undercut Shiv and left her out consistently, so she got the message. The best she can do is the woman behind the man, so Tom is her logical play.

What a GOAT ending. I didn't get to see Kendall finally drown himself, but I can imagine it (since it's implied) forever. That dude is truly the WOAT piece of shyt character in any show in a long time. Well, maybe other than Roman.

But Tom doesn’t own the company and could be ousted at a whim
Kendall and em would own the company
Shiv and Roman would still have shares stocks a board vote lol. Could do some damage with that.
She just wanted to fail if that meant Kendall not getting it too
I thought Logan dying was fukking the end and one of these fukks would own the company but behold they are still stupid fukks all of them

#Loganset we are good like Thanos with them flamingos at the end of that avemgers movie
RIP to my dawg L to the O-G

 

[JLaw]

Shiv chose her stoic grindset husband over her bipolar cokehead brother. It was the best decision for literally everyone not named Kendall.

Ken is my favorite character on the show but to me he is a Chris Moltisanti type where watching him pile up Ls is the whole appeal I don’t understand viewers who think he is at all competent or deserving. He is perpetually one nudge away from a mental breakdown or drug binge. The only thing Kendall has going for him is that Roman exists and makes him look slightly better in comparison.

This was an A+ finale for me. Matsson, Tom, and Greg are savages but at least there is a practical and tangible reason to pursue great wealth. Money has no meaning to the living Roys, they are only motivated by entitlement and family rivalry. None of them are fit to run a single Popeyes location so I’m smoking the whole Roy pack. Top 10 show of all time.

 

[Duke_Droese]

Any arguments against this being top 3 ATG with the wire and sopranos?

They landed the ending. I was jittery as fukk the whole episode from the point Maddsen was looking at Shiv sideways in his penthouse.

The wire is more relatable for me, but the last couple of seasons were rushed. And the politics/mcnulty/newspaper storylines got weak.

 

[Gloxina]

Tom will bush Shiv if he can find a more powerful woman

Yes and no. Shiv also comes with billions.

If he finds a woman with billions who wants to marry and give him full access to her $ then hell yea

 

[Black Mamba]

Any arguments against this being top 3 ATG with the wire and sopranos?

They landed the ending. I was jittery as fukk the whole episode from the point Maddsen was looking at Shiv sideways in his penthouse.

The wire is more relatable for me, but the last couple of seasons were rushed. And the politics/mcnulty/newspaper storylines got weak.

There isn’t
We got our 3 headed Dragon HBO
The D&D bytch ass fukks fukked it a few years
But We GOT IT NOW

 

[Silkk]

Finally got to watch:


New Jess lol


Clown ass Roman Company could have been sold and everybody could have been much richer but his bum ass didn’t want to sell……Now he may have changed his mind SMFH

Greg makes 200k as an assistant No wonder why Jess left. Probably was making 50k tops

Tom should’ve smacked that nikka smh

“The Incredible fukk Brother Bandwagon”

Something tells me they shouldn’t have told their mom Cant Trust That bytch at all SMFH

This fool Connor still fooling

Damn Connor, bytch playing him already

Tom vs Greg

Co-CEOs still? :Patrice: The look on Shiv face……bytch might flip again :Patrice:

I HATE THAT BYTCH SO FUCCKING MUCH

TomGreg though

Ken should’ve just jumped

He gotta on site fade that bytch ever time he sees her now

 

[Black Mamba]

She is literally the worst.

It was a draw for her either way. Side with her husband or her brother. She’s connected either way and still has her money.

I rarely use this term to describe a fellow woman, but she is a literal b!tch.

Yea Shiv is THE WORST

Its not really a draw.
She has no power in the company at all
At least with Matsson originally she would’ve been ceo but she’s not so the best thing next was to go with the bros still hold shares and have power in the company and seeing how Roman is a lil bytch she could’ve roped him in some thing to get at Kendall at the first sign of kendall fukking up.

Greg is just a ceo if not mistaken they will get $$$ for their shares and she won’t control shyt at Waystar anymore or have a say because I doubt Tom will let her get any anymore. She’s a glorified housewife with billions now like her mother lmao

 

[Gloxina]

I don't believe that. He truly loves that woman and she's the mother of his child. I don't think he's going anywhere on his own for someone else unless she acts up again.

THAT is what I believe.

The issue in their relationship was the power dynamic. She married a man she didn’t respect. That shyt has FLIPPED.

As long as she plays her position, they’ll be fine.

 

[Metal Face]

I'M THE ELDEST BOY!!!!!