Official Student Debt Cancellation Watch Thread

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what about the class of 2022?
it's an EO, biden can do this every year of his presidency if he wants to. and per a money.com article on this, current students would receive the debt forgiveness amount credited to loans they currently have accrued - so they get something too.

until there's a democratic senate, there's nothing that can be done via lasting legislation to reform the costs of higher ed and student loans. there is no "realistic" shot of any proposal passing when you have the party in power that is full of the uneducated and even those who are educated hate higher ed for its liberal leanings.
 

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i was tagged in the thread. and making good faith posts until i was asked not to :mjlol:

and for the record, i dont give a fukk if they pay anyones debt off. good for them, relief is needed. but you cant just be unprepared and offended when the inherent unfairness of the policy is brought up. u think thats not whats gonna happen in real life?

Allow those who have paid them off a tax deduction for a percentage of the amount paid.
 

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I know I would find cac mamba in here talking shyt because he want free money. Listen this need to stop the school debt system is unfair. This is the first chance for Biden to change many Africans America lives. Doing this will help in creating a new upper class black community in America.
 

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I’m in the awkward position where I will want to consolidate once federal loans are out of deferment, but if I consolidate with a private company, I risk not being eligible for forgiveness....
 

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I know I would find cac mamba in here talking shyt because he want free money. Listen this need to stop the school debt system is unfair. This is the first chance for Biden to change many Africans America lives. Doing this will help in creating a new upper class black community in America.
Yeah good point student loan forgiveness would disproportionally help out black people more.
 

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But then what if forgiveness doesn’t happen, I lose all that money on interest :francis: kind of between a rock and a hard place, maybe I should just consolidate through the Feds even though the rate will be higher
I think even if forgiveness doesn't happen, Biden will most likely extend the 0% interest for awhile. But I get your point:francis: I would wait and see a bit what's coming out of Washington first before I consolidate.
 

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But then what if forgiveness doesn’t happen, I lose all that money on interest :francis: kind of between a rock and a hard place, maybe I should just consolidate through the Feds even though the rate will be higher
i agree with @GodinDaFlesh, give it through next june to see what the administration is actually talking about vs (schumer) rumors or if 0% is extended. but yea, i'm in the same place, i was thinking about paying a BIG chunk mine off next spring, but i'm about to sit on them shyts :mjgrin:
 

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If your student loans are all federal, it’s not really bad debt to carry or have at all.

I would gladly take $50-$80K in federal student loan debt if the new annual salary I was able to receive in perpetuity is at least $60K a year for the rest of your life. An education is an investment in your overall earning potential.

Your student loan balance isn’t really weighted too heavily against you when acquiring a mortgage or car loan either. I think the biggest refutation you’re seeing to federal student loan forgiveness, is the hesitation of giving the “liberal educated elite” additional social mobility that creates further economic advantages from the working class.
 

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If your student loans are all federal, it’s not really bad debt to carry or have at all.

I would gladly take $50-$80K in federal student loan debt if the new annual salary I was able to receive in perpetuity is at least $60K a year for the rest of your life. An education is an investment in your overall earning potential.

Your student loan balance isn’t really weighted too heavily against you when acquiring a mortgage or car loan either. I think the biggest refutation you’re seeing to federal student loan forgiveness, is the hesitation of giving the “liberal educated elite” additional social mobility that creates further economic advantages from the working class.
Yeah it's not bad debt at all if you major in something that's useful. I will never make less than 60k and it will top off in the 6 figure range, and that's all the way until retirement. My main argument for loan forgiveness is that it will be the only way for Biden to stimulate the economy given a Republican senate. There's no way they're giving Biden a stimulus package win.
 

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I doubt they'll cancel student loan debt. America is stupid and hates policies that help the middle class/poor (e.g. the wide majority of America). Instead, many schools and colleges will close down as enrollment drops. People will turn to other career paths like this article says, more focus on trades/vocations, jobs that can accessed via training/certifications. America will also complain ten to twenty years from now when people aren't buying as many houses, buying as many cars, going on as many vacations or at least not in the manner expected (airbnbs vs. hotels, car sharing vs. renting cars, lyft/uber vs. taxis, etc.), not having expensive weddings, not shopping at retail stores (if you follow any news publication, you see the :mjcry: news stories everyday from retail companies and shopping malls, it will get so much worse lol :mjcry:), etc. You strap people with debt, don't provide the jobs to pay them off but, expect industries to stay afloat? :heh: That's America.

@the cac mamba Read the bolded. Can't talk about "personal responsibility" when its a problem affecting four in five.




Is This the End of College as We Know It?

Rachael Wittern earned straight As in high school, a partial scholarship to college and then a Ph.D. in clinical psychology. She is now 33 years old, lives in Tampa, earns $94,000 a year as a psychologist and says her education wasn’t worth the cost. She carries $300,000 in student debt.

Dr. Wittern’s 37-year-old husband worked in a warehouse for several years before becoming an apprentice electrician. He expects to earn comparable money when he’s finished—minus the debt. When and if they have children, Dr. Wittern says her advice will be to follow her husband’s path and avoid a four-year degree.

“I just don’t see the value in a lot of what I studied,” she says. “Unless they have a really specific degree in mind we’d both prefer they take a more pragmatic, less expensive route.”

For traditional college students, the American postsecondary education system frequently means frontloading a lifetime’s worth of formal education and going into debt to do it. That is no longer working for millions of people, and the failure is clearing the way for alternatives: Faster, cheaper, specialized credentials closely aligned with the labor market and updated incrementally over a longer period, education experts say. These new credentials aren’t limited to traditional colleges and universities. Private industry has already begun to play a larger role in shaping what is taught and who is paying for it.

For more than a century, a four-year college degree was a blue-chip credential and a steppingstone to the American dream. For many millennials and now Gen Z, it has become an albatross around their necks.

Millennials are the most educated generation in the nation’s history, but they are broke compared with their predecessors. So why would they direct their children to take the same path?

“They probably won’t,” says John Thelin, a historian of higher education and professor at the University of Kentucky.

Faith in the four-year degree traces back to the 1960s, when Civil Rights activists pushed for everyone to attend college and become a professional. Instead of steering students toward a pragmatic, though often racist and classist, two-track system in which some high-school graduates headed to college and others became apprentices in a trade, the nation set a course for something more aspirational: college for all.

High schools began to direct students toward college-prep classes and away from vocational training. The federal government started lending money to many more students to pay for college. Universities grew into manicured playgrounds. The proportion of Americans with a four-year college degree climbed to 36% last year from 9% in 1965.

But those gains came at a price. For every high-school student who graduates college and finds a job that leverages her degree, four fall short: They either never enroll in college, drop out, or graduate and wind up underemployed, says Oren Cass, executive director of American Compass, a conservative think tank. About half take on debt they come to regret, according to surveys. For millennials, college or bust created winners out of about 20% of the country’s students, and bust for the rest, Mr. Cass says.

What has embittered so many millennials is that they played by the rules and still got stuck. Ben Puckett, a 30-year-old pastor in Michigan, earned a B.S. in physical therapy before a Master’s degree in divinity. He is $95,000 in debt.

“I went to college because I was told by parents, friends, teachers and counselors that it was the only way to ensure a good future,” Mr. Puckett says. “At 18 years old, how was I supposed to defy what my school, parents, society, friends were saying about going to college?”

College graduates born in the 1980s are less able to build wealth compared with earlier generations. Since 2013, student debt has grown by around $600 billion.

The flagging value proposition is now catching up to colleges.

Between 1979 and 2010, enrollment at two- and four-year colleges and universities more than doubled to 18 million. Since then it has fallen by about 2 million as the number of high-school graduates shrinks and the return on investment for graduates flattens.

To adapt, more schools are offering larger tuition discounts, forcing many of them to cut costs, edging them closer to a death spiral. The pandemic and the resulting economic anxiety have accelerated these trends. Many colleges are unable to adapt their programs and to keep up with changing demands in the labor market. Hundreds of schools will close over the next few years, analysts predict.

Americans aren’t turning their backs on education; they are reconsidering how to obtain it. Enrollment in short-term credential classes during the pandemic increased by 70% to nearly 8 million over the same period last year, according to Jonathan Finkelstein, chief executive of Credly, a digital credentialing network. That increase came as freshman college enrollment dropped by 16%.

Coding boot camps, which started only a decade ago and teach students software skills in a few months, graduated around 30,000 students in the U.S. last year. The number of apprenticeships nearly doubled to more than 700,000 between 2012 and 2019, according to the Labor Department, and they are expanding beyond trades into white-collar industries like banking and insurance. California has plans in place to increase apprenticeships in the state to 500,000 from 75,000 by 2029.

Companies like Alphabet Inc.’s Google, Amazon.com Inc. and Microsoft Corp. are launching programs which certify vocational competence and lead to well-paying tech jobs in or outside their companies. In August, Google announced scholarships for 100,000 students for a six-month online certificate including one in data science. The company said it would treat the certificates as the equivalent of a four-year degree if students apply for a related role at Google.

As a critical mass of companies and nonprofits launch their own credentials that become valuable in the labor market, traditional colleges will lose their monopoly, says Christopher Dede, a professor at Harvard Graduate School of Education and the author of “The 60-Year Curriculum.”

“The minute you have enough groups from industry, or the military or nonprofits, validate these things, you provide a way of bypassing educational institutions, and that will open the door to people not having to get a bachelor’s degree as a warrant to enter the workplace,” Mr. Dede says.

The question is whether this model can supplant the massive symbolic value of a four-year degree earned straight after high school. A 2019 Kaplan Inc. survey of 2,000 parents found that 74% favor a pathway for students to go straight from high school to a full-time job while taking college classes.

What’s missing from this rising model is the sort of coming-of-age experience that students crave. Still, the pandemic has chipped away at the belief that it must take place through a four-year stint on a college campus. Groups of students unable to return to campus this year have rented houses and hotels to live with their classmates while taking classes online.

Elite schools like Harvard and Yale University will survive and even thrive but will occupy a smaller place in the popular imagination, much like prep schools today, says Johns Hopkins political scientist Benjamin Ginsburg.

Less elite schools trying to stay relevant have begun offering shorter programs and creating longer partnerships with students, such as giving alumni the chance to brush up on skills through online classes. Four-year degrees will get telescoped into three and eventually two years, says Scott Pulsipher, president of Western Governors University. Academic credit will increasingly be given for work experience, and workers will return to school more frequently as the half-life of their skills shortens because of the accelerating pace of technological change.

The shift will eventually generate Americans with more education from a broader array of institutions. That will create pressure for public funding to follow the education people want, says Mr. Cass, author of “The Once and Future Worker.” Federal and state governments subsidize colleges and universities with hundreds of billions of dollars. That money benefits just a sliver of students. What about everybody else?

Mr. Cass argues students should be able to apply to whatever type of education or training they want to pursue. “College-for-all has been a catastrophically bad system,” he says. “It has to change.”
 
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