Official Spider-Man: Far From Home Thread

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Gwen Stacy dies over 100 issues into the comic, not issue 3. Bruce's parents dying shows is a part of why Batman is the way he is but that actual event doesn't weigh on the audience because we don't care about his parents and were never given a reason to. If Peter walks away from MJ in movie 3 or 4 then it would mean more because we saw their relationship grow over time, you don't want anything bad to happen to Ned because we've seen him in 3 movies now. Earn the emotion, don't just tell me I'm supposed to care.

Lets boil this down to its simplest terms. Bruce Wayne's parents dying is a story beat, it gives part of his back story but it doesnt have an impact on the audience because we have no relationship with them. Joker killing Robin is an emotion beat as we have a significant relationship with Batman, Robin, and Joker at that point in time. Emotion beats are what i want Marvel to focus on, like when everyone assumed Pepper and Tony would end their stories in a wedding as that happy ending felt pretty well earned so when it ended in a funeral instead it was like wow, you really felt it.

The loss of Gwen Stacey is compounded by his loss of Uncle Ben. Peter had already loss so much and to lose the love of his life re-opens the wound that was left their by the loss of uncle Ben. It reinforces what it means to be Spider-Man and the cost of being him and the audience empathizes even more for him because we know how much he has already lost. Over the entire first movie we see peter pine for mj only to realize that to be Spider-Man he can’t have her so he leaves her. His experience with green goblin had taught him how dangerous a sustained relationship with him will be.

Does this peter learn that after his encounter with the vulture even after being told by him he would kill his entire family? Nope, not at all no growth from the first movie to the second movie at all. This protege surrogant son thing that they got during the civil war era of marvel was irritating in the books and it is more irritating in the movie.

Everything is a story beat, batman’s Parents death even if we don’t know his parents makes you empathize with him because watching an eight year old boy watch his parents get gun down in front of him is heart wrenching. We don’t need to know the eight year old or parents because we know no child should ever experience that. It is why Bruce and dikk stand out in the bay family.

Through Bruce and the longing for his parents do we form a relationship with them. When Bruce gets that letter from his dad in the comics and asks him not to be Batman you feel it because we know how much his dad meant to him. We don’t know thomas that well or the flying graysons but we know Bruce and dikk and when you see dikk standing in the circus ring looking up you feel it because you know what he loss.

No one liked Jason Todd that is why people voted for him to die. It is not the connection to Jason that causes the feelings it is bruce’s Reaction to it. Bruce finally opening up to dikk and saying he missed him and replaced him with Jason because of his lack of emotional availability because of the trauma of watching his parents death. Without put those moments you get nothing. Peter and Bruce without those traumas you don’t get those characters because it informs everything about them.

And let’s not forget the death of captain Stacey earlier where he asks him to be good to his daughter before he dies.
 

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I feel like this movie isn't getting near the attention it deserves, especially after seeing it. It's been out a week and there aren't meme's or really much noise being made over it.

Anyway I don't see how they are going to bounce back from that post credit scene. After that happens in the comic it's always some of the worst runs afterwards trying to explain, ignore or retcon it.


Only thing I can guess is that in a movie or two miles is taking over.
 

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I feel like this movie isn't getting near the attention it deserves, especially after seeing it. It's been out a week and there aren't meme's or really much noise being made over it.

Anyway I don't see how they are going to bounce back from that post credit scene. After that happens in the comic it's always some of the worst runs afterwards trying to explain, ignore or retcon it.


Only thing I can guess is that in a movie or two miles is taking over.

I think it’s not getting the online attention at least as far as social media goes, because of the spoilers. People are actually being respectful. But the shyt has already made damn near 600 million around the world
 

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Reading through the thread and neither mysterio or vulture were shallow villains. MJ and Peters relationship is but thats because for 1 they are teens and 2 they made MJ into this weird super feminist nerdy goth like chick. It doesn't really make sense why spiderman likes her but I can understand her liking him because.

Overall this is probably the best marvel movie, they really addressed everything and made sure every piece of the puzzle fit. 9/10
 

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The problem with that lone of thinking is that spider-man is born from tragedy. Even in high school peter dealt with heavy stuff it is part of the burden of being spider-man the struggle of beating the responsibility of the role. The fact he gets knocked down and gets back up is core to his character. Into the spider verse explains this better than any movie outside of Sam rami’s first two. I don’t think it is that people want death they want to see actual consequences to his actions and how he responds because it would make him grow as a person and I can’t say this peter has grown at all over his three appearances.

It would of been cooler if flash and Ned had aged. Flash joins the military after the snap because he wanted to keep people safe. Ned joins oscorp and is manipulated by Norman and becomes hobgoblin leading to a direct confrontation with his best friend he really doesn’t know anymore. I thought it was a 6.5/7 out of 10 those end credits was dope but I have a feeling that they are going to resort to a sorry cop out and restore his identity like they did in the comics.

I agree with some of this but the main thing I disagree with, is the idea peter hasn’t grown. He’s grown a lot from civil war to now. He was a 14/15 year old kid who’d never been out of queens to now a 16 year old fully ready to be Spider-Man. Not someone’s protege but his own hero. He created his own suit, he takes his own responsibility and doesn’t need an adult or anyone else to tell him what’s right or wrong. Through his mistakes in homecoming and far from home, he’s grown. He needed to fukk up here to grow into his powers and into someone who can formulate his own plan—an actual plan, not him just fukking around and hoping it works—and save the day. Which he did.

Tragedy and death are big parts of his life and I’m sure he’ll have time to show more of that. But clearly losing tony had a big effect on him, just like any death he’s dealt with. And like in the comics, he questions who he is and who he wants to be after that death occurs. But also like the comics, he comes out stronger on the other side because he realizes the person he lost wants him to continue and keep going.
 

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I agree with some of this but the main thing I disagree with, is the idea peter hasn’t grown. He’s grown a lot from civil war to now. He was a 14/15 year old kid who’d never been out of queens to now a 16 year old fully ready to be Spider-Man. Not someone’s protege but his own hero. He created his own suit, he takes his own responsibility and doesn’t need an adult or anyone else to tell him what’s right or wrong. Through his mistakes in homecoming and far from home, he’s grown. He needed to fukk up here to grow into his powers and into someone who can formulate his own plan—an actual plan, not him just fukking around and hoping it works—and save the day. Which he did.

Tragedy and death are big parts of his life and I’m sure he’ll have time to show more of that. But clearly losing tony had a big effect on him, just like any death he’s dealt with. And like in the comics, he questions who he is and who he wants to be after that death occurs. But also like the comics, he comes out stronger on the other side because he realizes the person he lost wants him to continue and keep going.


Right, lowkey this movie tied in alot of things throughout spidermans entire comic run. Right down to him pretty much giving up being a spiderman and then realizing "that with great power comes great responsibility" He actually made a terrible childish mistake that we probably still haven't seen the full ramifications of, he grew in this movie a ton, to the point that he might actually have and use his peter tingle now.


The movie really did an amazing job of showing who peter is, his potential when he believes in hisself, that's he still has growing to what he represents, his growth and over all that regardless of that he's still a Teen. Essentially tony is a replacement for uncle Ben and this move worked it well...
 

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Right, lowkey this movie tied in alot of things throughout spidermans entire comic run. Right down to him pretty much giving up being a spiderman and then realizing "that with great power comes great responsibility" He actually made a terrible childish mistake that we probably still haven't seen the full ramifications of, he grew in this movie a ton, to the point that he might actually have and use his peter tingle now.


The movie really did an amazing job of showing who peter is, his potential when he believes in hisself, that's he still has growing to what he represents, his growth and over all that regardless of that he's still a Teen. Essentially tony is a replacement for uncle Ben and this move worked it well...

See I still don’t say he’s replaced uncle Ben emotionally. A friend of mine feels how you feels and it’s one of the things he’s taken issue with for this iteration even though he loves it overall. I look at tony the same way id look at captain Stacy; he was a huge influence on peter and a great role model to have. And once he died it shook him up. This one just has the extra depth because tony was the first person to believe in him and give him a chance and the resources to show what he could be.

Whyd they change the Spidey sense to peter tingle?

The writers said they wanted to come up with something “different” while also making it seem like something a family member would come up with. They didn’t say if it would always be referred to as that though. I hope not lol.
 

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The game. Scarecrow scenes
OH shyt!
THATS the shyt I was thinking about when Mysterio was playing the illusion games with him.
:ohhh:

I was like, "yo this reminds me of something."
:patrice:

But I couldnt put my finger on it.

I wanna see this again, but I really wanna check this Midsommer shyt out today.
I feel left out.
:mjcry:
 
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