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ayo @jensyao. I joined your disord. do you plain to do a group buy for the guy who claim he has 30 nas songs on the source or just for the firm tapes ?
Still getting info for the firm cassettes...I don't want to move forward with the 30 Nas tracks if half of them comes out on lost tapes 3 so we'll wait and see

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Still getting info for the firm cassettes...I don't want to move forward with the 30 Nas tracks if half of them comes out on lost tapes 3 so we'll wait and see

I was thinking about the lost tapes also. It would have been interresting to see if it was from the sony era or latter, via some snippets before buying. because I don't think neither sony or nas will release pre def jam songs. but maybe I'm wrong, especially with the new sony partnership
 

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I was thinking about the lost tapes also. It would have been interresting to see if it was from the sony era or latter, via some snippets before buying. because I don't think neither sony or nas will release pre def jam songs. but maybe I'm wrong, especially with the new sony partnership

The seller has mostly 2010 era stuff and he doesn't like disclosing what he has. I can talk more on discord but there's people who wouldnt put down money trying to stir up attention while contacting the seller and that only results in higher prices set by the seller... It's this stupidity that I really don't like discord for: groupie beta orbiters who want the inside scoop and run their mouth while being detrimental to the transaction
 

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Anybody got any ideas about how we can increase nas streams for hit next project. His actual physical sales isnt to bad for this day n age. It would be dope if we could get his streams up.
Older artists struggle with streams because their fanbase doesn’t use Spotify/Apple/etc. To increase streams an older artist would need a crossover hit or banger that attracts new/young fans. Personally I don’t think Nas is getting that in 2021/2022. Now can I imagine Nas getting a Drake feature/video/single that results in 50-70k first week streams…plus some other logical features (Cole, SZA, Future, Ross for instance)? Sure. I just don’t see that as his direction or interest. And he doesn’t need it. He’s in a great space and I’m hoping he tours next year with that second secret project.
 

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DJ Mike Nice just made his tweets for followers only for some reason, https://twitter.com/djmikenice?lang=en but before he did that, he wrote that Kool G Rap's Fast Life Pt 2 will be on another mixtape and not Please Listen to my demo 2, smh...

Older artists struggle with streams because their fanbase doesn’t use Spotify/Apple/etc. To increase streams an older artist would need a crossover hit or banger that attracts new/young fans. Personally I don’t think Nas is getting that in 2021/2022. Now can I imagine Nas getting a Drake feature/video/single that results in 50-70k first week streams…plus some other logical features (Cole, SZA, Future, Ross for instance)? Sure. I just don’t see that as his direction or interest. And he doesn’t need it. He’s in a great space and I’m hoping he tours next year with that second secret project.

I mean yeah, someone can do a tiktok dance or challenge to make Nas joints go viral. I would give Nas w/ features a listen but don't care much if Nas collabos with features because Nas usually dumbs down his craft to satisfy the feature, even for Jay and Hit Boy on the production. The "next Nas" title probably is now with Cordae and Big KRIT (who also have super loyal fan bases) -- those collabos would actually be worthwhile to listen to even tho neither do big numbers like Cole. Nas shouldn't care that his albums do big numbers as long as he stays relevant and satisfies his core audience without having to compromise or commercialize over. Cole has that RDCWorld1 youtube machine that makes him go viral every time those guys do a Cole video -- nobody really do viral youtube skits for Nas but audio visual propaganda on 3rd party youtube skits is what makes Cole connect to the youth more outside of his music. Nas and r&b collabos just means that Nas shaves off the 3rd verse and makes way for the singer more to do a verse. Nas needs to another collabo w/ Lauryn Hill more than anyone or even a collabo album with just him and Lauryn Hill. Hell No for Future -- you see what happened with Jay and Future collabos...when Nas did the remix for March Madness as a freebie, the reception was mixed AF -- Nas spit his ass off but people still can't stand Nas on a trap beat or with autotune because how his core fans regard him as the flag waver against anything that isn't fundamentally sounding like hip hop on dusty premier beats, which is basically what happens when Nas dropped Illmatic but can't outrun from Illmatic's shadow. Ross goes off topic on every other feature like Accident Murderers and Hard Piano, etc -- Ross can namedrop the song's name in the verse to convince you he is trying to talk about the subject but Ross mostly stays in his own lane and can't rise up to the occasion do a conceptual song like Nas can.

What Nas fans care about is solo Nas joints where he goes super left field into his world on what he is thinking about, where the album would still be relevant 10+ years later, without having to compromise and talk about 'safe subjects' just to satisfy his feature collabos being able to write their verse and dumbing down for the sake of the producer's thumb's up. That secret project of his w/ Dr Dre might get dismantled/shelved because 1) Dre still hasn't released Detox after working on it for 2 decades and it's overproduced AF 2) Dr Dre will most likely egg Nas on to talk that one dimensional "gangsta shyt" like Dr Dre told Rakim, which didn't allow Rakim to reach into his creative bag to have more wide ranging songs and eventually shelved "Oh My God"...the same might happen to Nas -- a couple songs get recorded but the album never comes out or ends up on another Lost Tapes a decade later. If you look at 50 Cent, 50's GRODT had no-name-one-hitter-quitter producers and was widely successful because 50 got to showcase his creativity without the producer's ego getting in the way but 50's Massacre was mostly polished Dr Dre beats while mostly staying on that 1 dimensional hardcore gangsta shyt (even for gangsta "St Valentine's' Day Massacre" type love songs) and sold less. Even if a producer can make good to decent beats, all established producers want to have their input on their beats for what the rapper should rap on it and that just leads into a slippery slope of having the rapper compromise his range for the sake of the producer A&Ring the project and it eventually not even coming out due to egos and characters not meshing together behind the scenes.

We seen these scenarios over and again to the point that we can identify and patternize the downward trajectories for events to come before they even happen. Artist think they are special and this won't happen to them but how many Dr Dre and Nas collabos were actually 'good'? A lot of songs are just botched like Nas is Coming (weird oversaturated choir), Phone Tap (conceptual but voices over radio static is not great for radio hit...still need the version of vocals w/o radio static), Time (unreleased), Sosa Vs State (unreleased), Everyday Thing (Unreleased), Topless (Unreleased), Hustlers (great), Don't get carried away (beat got in the way of the vocals)...most of Dr Dre beats are over-saturated with choir vocals and the beat gets in the way of hearing vocals. Dr Dre is hit or miss depending on who submits the original beat from under him for him to over-saturate with his production and choir ideas. A lot of Dr Dre beats in its raw form submitted by other producers is good enough but goes unreleased unless Dre pushes that beat over the top with his saturation, smh
 
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Ross and Nas got classics man. They've only done one track together that was weak. That's an obvious feature for an album that most fans would cosign.

Yea Future is the antithesis of Nas in many people's minds but...they got the same manager, they both do "breakup" or "I'm better off without you" songs well. It could be dope. I didn't like the March Madness track because it didn't fit Nas, but King's Disease showed Nas can sound dope on trap with the right track (and drums).

Cole...it's an obvious collab that should have happened years ago. He did the remix for Cole awhile ago but they need an official track. Make it happen.

I agree Nas isn't chasing numbers and said as much. I was just responding to the comment about increasing stream numbers. You need features to do that at this stage. But like I said, that's not Nas' focus so I doubt it happens. IMO a Drake feature over some moody Bo1da or 40 shyt with hard drums is an obvious layup for Nas and I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.
 
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Ross and Nas got classics man. They've only done one track together that was weak. That's an obvious feature for an album that most fans would cosign.

Yea Future is the antithesis of Nas in many people's minds but...they got the same manager, they both do "breakup" or "I'm better off without you" songs well. It could be dope. I didn't like the March Madness track because it didn't fit Nas, but King's Disease showed Nas can sound dope on trap with the right track (and drums).

Cole...it's an obvious collab that should have happened years ago. He did the remix for Cole awhile ago but they need an official track. Make it happen.

I agree Nas isn't chasing numbers and said as much. I was just responding to the comment about increasing stream numbers. You need features to do that at this stage. But like I said, that's not Nas' focus so I doubt it happens. IMO a Drake feature over some moody Bo1da or 40 shyt with hard drums is an obvious layup for Nas and I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.


At this point in his career if Nas hasn’t collaborated with someone in the Hip Hop sphere its because he simply doesn’t want to.


All this “pair him with THIS GUY” is null & void because Nas don’t want to do it for whatever reason. Nas already told us in 2002 “Making hits is easy/throw a famous bytch on the hook there ya go with a platinum CD”


He’s not running that race. Whoever he collabs with won’t be because he wants his streams to go up or because he wants to perform at the MTV awards. Half the time he collabs with another popular artist he doesn’t even release the song as a single (Black Republican off Hip Hop Is Dead/Summer On Smash off Life Is Good/Till The War Is Won off King’s Disease) so as Nas fans our best “strategy” is to simply support and purchase his music whenever he makes it available and spread the word.
 

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Ross and Nas got classics man. They've only done one track together that was weak. That's an obvious feature for an album that most fans would cosign.

Yea Future is the antithesis of Nas in many people's minds but...they got the same manager, they both do "breakup" or "I'm better off without you" songs well. It could be dope. I didn't like the March Madness track because it didn't fit Nas, but King's Disease showed Nas can sound dope on trap with the right track (and drums).

Cole...it's an obvious collab that should have happened years ago. He did the remix for Cole awhile ago but they need an official track. Make it happen.

I agree Nas isn't chasing numbers and said as much. I was just responding to the comment about increasing stream numbers. You need features to do that at this stage. But like I said, that's not Nas' focus so I doubt it happens. IMO a Drake feature over some moody Bo1da or 40 shyt with hard drums is an obvious layup for Nas and I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.
I think my point in my statement is if all could do a little more streaming parties we might be able to assist with the first week album numbers. He had 28k pure albums sold for kings disease first week, which is really actually pretty good in the streaming era. If we could stream a little bit more as a group, we could push the album even more. I dont think sales is nas main focus but it's still apart of the game and if we want our favorite artist to keep being motivated, we should show him while he is alive to see it. However, I do agree one big feature would probably do wonders for a nas album. Especially a drake with a boi ida and 40 beat. It could be a banger. Nas is a true artist so he does what he feels at the moment.
 

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At this point in his career if Nas hasn’t collaborated with someone in the Hip Hop sphere its because he simply doesn’t want to.


All this “pair him with THIS GUY” is null & void because Nas don’t want to do it for whatever reason. Nas already told us in 2002 “Making hits is easy/throw a famous bytch on the hook there ya go with a platinum CD”


He’s not running that race. Whoever he collabs with won’t be because he wants his streams to go up or because he wants to perform at the MTV awards. Half the time he collabs with another popular artist he doesn’t even release the song as a single (Black Republican off Hip Hop Is Dead/Summer On Smash off Life Is Good/Till The War Is Won off King’s Disease) so as Nas fans our best “strategy” is to simply support and purchase his music whenever he makes it available and spread the word.
Thay was more of my point is how us fans can support the project more when it drops. I just want to make sure we give nas his flowers while he can appreciate it.
 

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Thay was more of my point is how us fans can support the project more when it drops. I just want to make sure we give nas his flowers while he can appreciate it.

Isn't the best way to support to just buy the CD or vinyl from his website? lol I mean, wouldn't you have to stream the album a ridiculous amount of time for it to equal just one sale?
 
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Isn't the best way to support to just buy the CD or vinyl from his website? lol I mean, wouldn't you have to stream the album a ridiculous amount of time for it to equal just one sale?
Buying it once from his site is great way to support. However, if you think about once you do it once these days it's one and done. However, there are groups that have streaming parties for their favorite artist, so in addition to buying you have your streaming service streaming the project on a playlist. That way the artist gets both.
 
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