You're missing the point. My only goal is to maximize our support for nas as a fan. That's all. I'm just saying other fan bases have streaming parties along with buying the project to maximize its potential. I'm not all concerned about sales.
Official Nas Thread
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well I purchased
5 copies of Life Is Good when it dropped
3 copies of Nasir when it dropped PLUS Merch
10 copies of King’s Disease when it dropped PLUS Merch
Not sure what else we can do. It feels like the streaming generation is upon us and the unfair lengths some will go to cook the streaming numbers for artists is on some other shyt.
I feel like when the RIAA banned bundling copies of projects with Merch that was kind of a death knell for “Pure album sales”. I bet you ANYTHING that if that rule was still in place Kings Disease would have moved upwards of 90k units its first week because the King’s Disease merch was very well received by fans.
spliz
SplizThaDon
Like I said in my thread about legacy artists vs newer artists.
I think the track with Kendrick is coming.
Hit-Boy just released a song that was written for him by Kendrick. Some dude in Hit-Boy camp on twitter said y'all wouldn't believe who Hit-Boy has rapping together..
So Hit is obviously in contact with Kendrick and of course Nas.. The collabo is coming.
Life is Good
All Star
Streaming is also a very important part of an album’s success along with physical purchase. Nas fan base is old school and most are not into streaming for whatever reason. I’ve also discovered some of his fan base don’t know how to stream. Even looking on here some of his fans are really not financially supporting his music bc they want it for free. Nas has a unique fan base. Shout out to those fans who truly support by purchasing his music but a strong streaming presence would also help as well. I’m feeling both @kes929 & @Ziggiy outlook on the matter.
First off, streaming is garbage because fans don't own the music, the artists get paid bread crumbs complying to the TOS of someone else's platform, and the record industry as a whole is incentivized to fake the streams
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Ryan leslie invented this shyt a decade ago, where if you purchase his album, you get an exclusive concert ticket and a code to enter into an phone app to verify for only those people who bought his album. I'm not going to list everything that ryan did to digitally connect to his fans but Ryan has his phone app where he does special drops, special concerts, special meetups, listening parties, and have a direct-to-consumer emailing list with app push notifications to engage with his core fans, etc. More people are incentivized to buy Ryan's albums simply for more code entries to level up on his fan app for more loyalty rewards. Nas' meetup/party events outside of concerts are rare AF and invite-only with a exclusive club waitlist so barely anybody even within the vicinity knows to show up even if they are diehard and bought all of Nas' albums. Somebody on Nas' team just dropped the ball and failed to implement this system because this information is a phone call away if they just straight up ask Ryan how he did it.
I'm on the email list for massappeal.com and nasirjones.com for example, but they barely send out any emails -- not even for the new merch that they have in the store (there needs to be more fire products in the selection of stuff to buy from)...All of Nas' merch drops and events are announced on instagram, but if Nas is about that ownership, he should have made his own app to alert his own fans instead of giving another platform all the marketshare and attention -- apps like clubhouse all have benefitted off hip hop without paying hip hop artists a dime....streaming services are the worst because they get their cut first before paying any of the artists their breadcrumb money. The fans who bought Nas' album should have first dibs on merch drops and not have some greedy programmed robot buy out the store just clone the product design with shyttier knockoffs just to resell on ebay/etsy posing as the original merch, smh....
Nipsey has a version of this app too where you can scan your merch's tag via your phone camera to hear unreleased songs only for fans who bought his legitimate merch...Iddris Sandu, who implemented Nipsey's Marathon smart store, is also a phone call away and Nas has more than enough capital to hire him. The app should recognize and you should be able to scan every PAST Nas merch, album, and concert ticket stub to automatically enroll you into OG status in the app without having to start from 0 when you register an account. This shyt is not new nor hard to implement -- even when Nas owns his master's to king's disease, somebody on Nas' team just dropped the ball and failed to implement/integrate the tech side of things to capture his core audience demographic data along with his album roll out. Compared to the app, Instagram posts of Nas pictures and videos is considered childsplay and is just scratching the surface -- Nas' marketing team needs to be technically armed (not just on default apple software) and expand into developing loyalty apps more.
People are going to be people: uninformed, unenthused, blindsighted, and straight savages. Regardless of how much you shine a flashlight on their ignorance and roast them, they are grown and are too stuck in their ways. Only when you implement a loyalty reward system in a tech rollout along with purchasing the album would some people be incentivized to comply more with the conditions to build up loyalty rewards like any store or restaurant. Otherwise, the path of least resistance would always lead to people's paths turning out crooked. THE END
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Exactly for example @Ziggiy my statement is more so a broad question.i know you support and you do alot. My only goal is to maximize nas next release with every method we can as a group. However, i know there are alot of us that do support with buying so I'm not knocking that at all.
Ryan definitely has a dope marketing method. That's definitely something nas marketing team should do if it works for sure. I'm talking more so to us fans that have the ability to do streaming parties to assist. All the rest is out of our control. I'm not downplaying anybody.
That's so true. I've been a huge fan since Illmatic first dropped. I've always collected all of Nas' music. When I got an iPhone and had Apple music, I would get the Nas albums and save them on my phone and played them all the time but it wasn't until last year that I realized that I could stream the music and Nas would get credit for the streams. I just stream his music now.
spliz
SplizThaDon
Check it out I made a whole thread on what I feel the issue is. It’s the fact that legacy act’s fanbases aren’t sitting around streaming music non stop like the younger generation. Let alone they like to buy music and be done with it and the industry is making it harder to just do that. Lack of music in retail stores. Etc etc. peep the thread.
https://www.thecoli.com/threads/dig...es-and-young-vs-older-artists-fanbase.853225/
Piff Perkins
Veteran
Another thing about legacy artists is that many don’t know when artists release albums. There are a lot of 40+ year old Nas fans who didn’t know about King’s Disease until it won a Grammy. Similar to how an old Stevie Wonder or Rolling Stones fan might not hear about a new album until they learn about an upcoming tour, or hear about the album on a late night talk show. Different generations, different media.
My mom is a perfect example. She streams a lot of music on Pandora (lol) and YouTube playlists. She doesn’t know her favorite artists have released new music until she hears a song she doesn’t recognize. Just about any new music past 2000 is stuff she stumbled across late, so she’ll hear a 2004 Anita Baker song today and be stunned. That’s just how old people are man. They mainly listen to music they listened to from 16-30, or 16-35.
Which is the point I made to my Breh @spliz about Drake lol..
My mom is a perfect example. She streams a lot of music on Pandora (lol) and YouTube playlists. She doesn’t know her favorite artists have released new music until she hears a song she doesn’t recognize. Just about any new music past 2000 is stuff she stumbled across late, so she’ll hear a 2004 Anita Baker song today and be stunned. That’s just how old people are man. They mainly listen to music they listened to from 16-30, or 16-35.
Which is the point I made to my Breh @spliz about Drake lol..
Also I just REALLY feel the streaming rules are unfair.
Even for “bigger” artists like Drake or Taylor Swift who routinely break streaming records I even feel like they are getting the shaft.
Like I had NO IDEA that if I stream an album on Apple Music, and then purchase that SAME album on iTunes that it disables the streams if i’m playing it. WTF
They need to reconfigure that shyt.
spliz
SplizThaDon
This right here is what I’m talking about in my other thread. Apple Music and Itunes are damn near fighting eachother on the same platform. Older people like to buy the shyt they support. I bought all the albums I supported and none of my streams count because of it. This is why I started buying music from the artists sites and if I buy it. I’m getting a vinyl or physical copy for collection purposes.Also I just REALLY feel the streaming rules are unfair.
Even for “bigger” artists like Drake or Taylor Swift who routinely break streaming records I even feel like they are getting the shaft.
Like I had NO IDEA that if I stream an album on Apple Music, and then purchase that SAME album on iTunes that it disables the streams if i’m playing it. WTF
They need to reconfigure that shyt.
spliz
SplizThaDon
Nope. Different argument. If u said more young people fukk with Drake currently I wouldn’t even argue. But the argument was Kanye vs Drizzy in a Verzuz battle and Kanye would indefinitely beat Drake in a Verzuz battle. I haven’t come across many people in real life young or old who feel Drake would win that.