Official Michael Jordan 'The Last Dance' Doc Thread (NO SPOILERS)

[god shamgod]

I thought the last dance was solid but besides the Off court footage of Jordan , I lived through all of this

I remember both 3 peats, when Jordan retired in ‘93,when his pops was missing then found dead, I’m back ,72-10 etc,etc

good trip down memory lane

 

[Ben.]

The Last Dance Part 9 – Mr. World Premiere

The Last Dance Part 10 – Mr. World Premiere

You the goat

 

[Regular_P]

George Gervin 12x all star & Robert Parish 9x Allstar played with MJ

OK, I'll see your Gervin and Parish and raise you one 15x All-Star Shaquille O'Neal.

Was an All-Star the year before he got to Cleveland too.

 

[Smashius Clay]

Let's get the Wizards epilogue of this going

Bro I'm so sports-starved, good look.

 

[nieman]

They could have kept some of those guys, but all they really needed was MJ and Pip, everyone else played a role and was replaceable.

Even if they couldn't resign Pip (although I think eventually they would reach a compromise and he resigns for another year), I think MJ is willing to give it another run as long as he had Phil. I don't know what the free agent class looked like that year, or if there was a player available close to Pip's caliber, but after seeing MJ talk about it I'm almost positive he would have taken another run, with or without Pip.

But my bigger point is Phil didn't even try. He didn't even try to have the conversation with Pip, or with the two Jerrys, to see what's what. Sucka move, and we were all robbed of history because of it. If the GOAT wants to run it back, you run it the f*ck back.

They weren't keeping Pippen though. They hated him. This man was callin out Krauss, throwing TVs and chairs at Krauss on national TV. He felt undervalued when they were winning, so they were gonna low-ball him during FA. The entire NBA knew he was gone. Their mind was made up going into the season.Even with Phil & MJ, it was still gonna take some convincing and begging for Scottie play for peanuts, for that FO.

The point is that everyone knew going into the season that after '98, they were gonna rebuild. MJ was the only player with somewhat of a guaranteed spot, but he was not gonna stick around for a rebuild. And if that's the case, why come back?

Now if you're the coach of a 3-peat, and highly favored for another, but going into training camp, the front office tells you "You can go 82-0 & 15-0 for playoffs, and this is still going to be your last year here" would you come back? They watch you have a great record, go into the playoffs as the favorite, still saying nothing. Then after you win, they say "it is possible for you to come back, but all of those same pieces won''t be back." Would you return?

 

[jwinfield]

They could have kept some of those guys, but all they really needed was MJ and Pip, everyone else played a role and was replaceable.

Even if they couldn't resign Pip (although I think eventually they would reach a compromise and he resigns for another year), I think MJ is willing to give it another run as long as he had Phil. I don't know what the free agent class looked like that year, or if there was a player available close to Pip's caliber, but after seeing MJ talk about it I'm almost positive he would have taken another run, with or without Pip.

But my bigger point is Phil didn't even try. He didn't even try to have the conversation with Pip, or with the two Jerrys, to see what's what. Sucka move, and we were all robbed of history because of it. If the GOAT wants to run it back, you run it the f*ck back.

You keep ignoring 3 things:

1. Phil said that he didn't want to come back in part because he knew Krause wouldn't be happy with that shyt. Reinsdorf let the shyt get so toxic, that Krause was going to the media telling everyone before the season started that Phil was done regardless of what happened. Why would anybody want to come back for that shyt?
2. Reinsdorf said it would've been suicidal to bring everybody back financially.
3. Reinsdorf says he asked Phil, Phil said no because he didn't want to go through a rebuilding process. Then he says if Mike came back, Krause could've rebuilt the team in two years. That means the team wasn't coming back. It was going to be Phil and Mike with Jerry trying do rebuild the team around them. Pip was gone. A bunch of the other guys were gone. What Mike wanted to do and what Reinsdorf was willing to do were completely different things. You keep mentioning Phil and Mike convincing everybody to come back on 1 year deals when Jerry wasn't going for that. A rebuild was happening the following year whether Phil and Mike came back or not.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

The way this nikka talking and the way they all listening. They really looked at him like he was a God on the court...and he talking about Bean

 

[Ukbrotha]

I lived through this so I remember 90% of it but its its a great watch.

The only thing I'm now suspicious of is that first retirement. I thought it was nonsense before but after watching this series that part looked a little funny in the light. MJ definitely had some gambling demons he was able to brush under the carpet.

Anyways, not like I needed it to enforce what I already knew about MJ being the undisputed GOAT.

 

[jwinfield]

The only thing I'm now suspicious of is that first retirement. I thought it was nonsense before but after watching this series that part looked a little funny in the light. MJ definitely had some gambling demons he was able to brush under the carpet.

I mean, you had someone say that he told them he planned on retiring in 92, was only staying to go for the 3-peat.

Not sure what gambling demons would force Stern to suspend him for a weird ass number of months and have him accepted into a sport that just banned a star player for gambling.

 

[OsO]

Now if you're the coach of a 3-peat, and highly favored for another, but going into training camp, the front office tells you "You can go 82-0 & 15-0 for playoffs, and this is still going to be your last year here" would you come back? They watch you have a great record, go into the playoffs as the favorite, still saying nothing. Then after you win, they say "it is possible for you to come back, but all of those same pieces won''t be back." Would you return?

If the GOAT wants to run it back, you run it the f*ck back.

You keep ignoring 3 things:

1. Phil said that he didn't want to come back in part because he knew Krause wouldn't be happy with that shyt. Reinsdorf let the shyt get so toxic, that Krause was going to the media telling everyone before the season started that Phil was done regardless of what happened. Why would anybody want to come back for that shyt?
2. Reinsdorf said it would've been suicidal to bring everybody back financially.
3. Reinsdorf says he asked Phil, Phil said no because he didn't want to go through a rebuilding process. Then he says if Mike came back, Krause could've rebuilt the team in two years. That means the team wasn't coming back. It was going to be Phil and Mike with Jerry trying do rebuild the team around them. Pip was gone. A bunch of the other guys were gone. What Mike wanted to do and what Reinsdorf was willing to do were completely different things. You keep mentioning Phil and Mike convincing everybody to come back on 1 year deals when Jerry wasn't going for that. A rebuild was happening the following year whether Phil and Mike came back or not.

Even if they couldn't resign Pip (although I think eventually they would reach a compromise and he resigns for another year), I think MJ is willing to give it another run as long as he had Phil. I don't know what the free agent class looked like that year, or if there was a player available close to Pip's caliber, but after seeing MJ talk about it I'm almost positive he would have taken another run, with or without Pip.

But my bigger point is Phil didn't even try. He didn't even try to have the conversation with Pip, or with the two Jerrys, to see what's what. Sucka move, and we were all robbed of history because of it. If the GOAT wants to run it back, you run it the f*ck back.

MJ and a half decent roster are still making the finals in '99. You have to let the GOAT defend his title. If Jordan wants to run it back, YOU RUN IT THE F*CK BACK.

 

[jwinfield]

MJ and a half decent roster are still making the finals in '99. You have to let the GOAT defend his title. If Jordan wants to run it back, YOU RUN IT THE F*CK BACK.

When MJ was talking about run it back, he was talking about the team, not just him and Phil.

He mentions Kerr, Jud and other guys coming back for 1 year.

"If Phil was gonna be there, if Dennis was gonna be there, if MJ was gonna be there, to win OUR 7th, Pip was not gonna miss out on that."

He's not talking about him and a half decent roster made up of guys Krause brought in after letting everybody go. He's talking about the team that won it all.

 

[VegetasHairline]

 

[DrexlersFade]

/thread

 

[Ukbrotha]

I mean, you had someone say that he told them he planned on retiring in 92, was only staying to go for the 3-peat.

Not sure what gambling demons would force Stern to suspend him for a weird ass number of months and have him accepted into a sport that just banned a star player for gambling.

You're probably right but how were the bulls able to keep a retired player on the same salary while he was retired? How did the nba accept that?

 

[Amor fati]

I knew they couldn't miss out the Rodman WCW stuff