Official Michael Jordan 'The Last Dance' Doc Thread (NO SPOILERS)

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@god shamgod thanks for the neg....But I really do think the Curry/KD Warriors would hold their own against the Bulls.. GS was far superior than any team Chicago faced during their 6 championship run.......Orlando and maybe the Blazers are the only teams that could hang with the Warriors.

Edit: How come people keep mentioning Lebron?.......We can't have an honest dialogue about the Chicago Bulls without people inserting Lebron's name into the conversation?...... You clowns are more obsessed with Lebron than the Lebron fans.....I'm out
 
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And you say this because players can get away with going 5 for 20 from three point range today and still be considered great?

both those players would still be in the nba
Burrell has a decent nba career so did Anderson

shandon Anderson had a ten year career and played Till 2006
 

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Pippen on Durant
Jordan on Thompson
Rodman on Green
Longley on Center by committee

Who's guarding Curry?
 

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54 points. smh. Lakers would have given them a fight.

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Lakers would have gotten dog walked against the bulls.
 

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And it was overrating Clyde to put him on Jordan's level. That was a joke of a comparison, misses all of the nuance and skill of Jordan's game.

You need to look at Reggie's playoff games. He averaged well over 20ppg in a 109 game sample size. No "barely". And he did so with far better shooting consistency than Drexler. If you think he did nothing else, you probably don't understand his game and how the Pacers functioned around the threat of his shooting. I can show you some examples of Reggie getting teammates open buckets that aren't recorded on the stat sheet, if you want. Including the wide open corner three that effectively won a game 7 in '00 because two guys went to Miller. Also some iso work from him to close that game against the Bucks.

Memory is faulty and it always helps to back it up with some facts. Not just stats, film. Plenty of that on Miller. He looks a lot better than what you probably remember if you do look at some old film.

The Pacers made the Eastern Conference Finals and pushed the Knicks to 7 in 1994. Rose was not on the team. The Pacers made the Eastern Conference Finals and pushed the Magic to 7 in 1995. Rose was also not on the team. I don't know how good you think he was.

You can say he was a Richmond/Rip type but you need to back it up with something other than memory. I'm not seeing the comparison in terms of career value or peak performance, including the postseason.

These are different eras. Did you watch any of these games? Did you watch them live, or are you just watching highlights now? Watch the full games, and watch regular season games. I used to tape Knicks games, so I've seen plenty of Reggie. I still watch old games...I watch older games more than current. 90's Reggie was a shooter. His early years Pacers were a jumpshooting team, (Rifleman & Detlef), had no success. They were just creeping into playoffs and being bounced. Then they played with a non-scoring PG, shooting at the 2, a jump-shooting C, and bruisers at the 3 & 4. They ended up being built like the Knicks, which is part of the reason for their intense rivalry.

The Rip comparisons come from...and if you were watching Ball during Rip's peak, were because they played so similar. They didn't handle the ball, but they moved around tirelessly, coming off curls, screens and quickly getting their shots off. Not Reggie (or Rip) were ones to stand around as set-shooters. The difference is that Rip played 15' and in, while Reggie played 15' and out. Reggie also got fouled a lot on his jumpers...even before he kickouts, there was plenty of grabbing, pulling, and running into him, in contesting the shot. That didn't happen to Rip and being compared to Reggie was even repeated by Reggie himself. Rip was a what...45% shooter, Reggie what 47%. The Richmond comparisons come into play because they were both good SGs, but you weren't going anywhere with them as the team's best player. Reggie has even been an all-star less than Rock. I don't know if you've ever seen Richmond play, but he was a versatlie scorer (outside, inside, from the post, and beat you off the dribble).

Reggie is considered "overrated" because the only thing that people go to elevate his status are his playoff performances. Everyone knows he routinely got off in the playoffs, but everyone also knows that other than a good Reggie display, they weren't a threat. Him averaging 30 for a 3-4 game stretch isn't really huge. I brought up his Knicks record because part of what's used to elevate him is being the "Knicks Killer." In reality, he isn't, but the narrative says otherwise. I've been a Knicks fan for 30 years, so I've had these discussion numerous times, in realtime AND ever since. Reggie didn't slash, didn't pass, didn't rebound, didn't play defense. If it wasn't a catch-n-shoot type scenario, he was jab-jab-jab shoot. Now if you want to say Reggie doing what he did allowed Mark Jackson to hit the open man elsewhere, that's fine. But even if you include Playoff Reggie Miller, he was never on that tier of the elite players. He wasn't enough of a rounded player, and he wasn't a great enough scorer (once again, regular season) to even be thought of as up there. He was a shooter. He also shot and played horribly for that "great" 98 Pacers team that pushed the Bulls to 7 games.

The '00 Finals was Jalen Rose team, and they were completely different. For one, Jalen was their best player and a ballhandler, which was something they didn't have before. The also mixed it up with shooting, speed, and physical play. Bird had them paying a completely different style, while also allowing Reggie to do what he excelled at. They didn't go to any other NBA Finals. This was in fact, the only Pacers team in the Reggie Miller tenure that were considered legit contenders. The Pacers were always viewed the same as the Hawks that had Mookie & Smitty. Matter of fact, Smitty is another one on that level.

Now as for Clyde, now if you want to say he's not MJ level, he wasn't but who was. BUT he went to 2 Finals (90 against Bad Boys, & 92 vs Bulls) and Clyde was doing his thing in both. Bulls vs Blazers was a good series (EA Sports), but MJ went ballistic. It was a duel with the 2 best players in the NBA. Clyde was considered the 2nd best SG then, discussion for 2nd best player, and was an MVP candidate on an incredible run. The comparisons in their game in anticipation for the matchup was all people talked about. He has at least 2 seasons of 27 7 & 6, and at 1 other season at 25 6 & 6. Now once again, I haven't looked it up his stats in years, but I always debate with my young coworker, and I'll tell him to look it up, and his only response will be "OH" after he checks it out. What Clyde could do is grab the rebound or make a defensive play, go coast to coast, and score or dish off to Buck, Kersey or Duckworth. He could either finish in traffic, or do his funny-looking pull up. He could also stay with the defender, and block the shot. Clyde is just a far better player I do think the '92 Finals year was really his last great season...he was out with a knee injury in '93. They say he was hobbled throughout the playoffs. The gap between MJ & Glide is much smaller than Glide & Reggie. There's no way you were there and could say this. I would recommend watching some Blazers games.
 

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And you say this because players can get away with going 5 for 20 from three point range today and still be considered great?
Who is letting Shannon Anderson or his modern day counterpart take 20 three pointers? :mjtf:
 
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Even though ESPN had a multi part doc on the Celtics vs Lakers

any team docs feel so contrived even a Lakers/Kobe one

it’s like how everybody has a podcast or production company
 

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Its crazy how those 3 plays in the last 2 minutes of game 6 are such a microcosm of Jordan's career.

First, the unexpected drive to the basket after the time out showing (basketball IQ and awareness)

Second, the signature defensive play. A steal from the weakside catching his man unawares

Thirdly, the signature clutch midrange jumpshot. Clutch and decisive.

At age 35, he still put all of that together.

The best offensive and defensive player to ever play. The most dominant athlete I've ever witnessed.

Karl got too laxed on that play, probably because they were up. Since when did he hold the ball that low, and for that long? Karl would usually turn and face up, or hold it high, turn around J. He should've looked to score, or kicked it right back out, and ran the 2-man game.
 
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