Official MCU Black Panther 2 Thread

[Dr. Narcisse]

Lowkey a lot of misses in that movie because it became a cultural moment.

Ryan and 'nem completely ignored Civil War to do another tired "origin story."

Shuri being the head scientist and able to do everything at 15 was ridiculous.

The uses of viburnum got a little out of control.

The whole Killmonger becomes king and Wakanda just excepts it thing is kinda ridiculous in hindsight.

My hope for the new movie they can clean up the writing

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Yea, very shytty communication between the Russos, Feige and Coogler.

The beginning of Civil War has T'Challa's father literally giving the same speech T'Challa gives at the end of Black Panther. In other words, the underlining subplot of the Black Panther movie (xenophobic Wakanda closing off their aid/support/reaping what they sowed) was already resolved before we (the public) even knew it was a subplot

The easiest change would be modifying T'Chaka's speech. At the most radical, large dynamics of the BP movie would have to change for continuity.

Now i don't sweat it too much because we could put most of these marvel movies under a microscope and shred it to pieces. But the big thing that irks me is the fight scenes. Bc at the core of superheroes, that's the fun part man lol. shyt is supposed to be lit

Cause that could be explained away as "game or chess move" by T'Chaka. Another form of hiding in plainsight.

I think you gotta factor in just how tight a spot Civil War put the BP crew in. They killed T'Chaka, took away a personal connection with Klaue, T'Challa out there exposed and he lets go of his father's killer etc.etc.

It takes away the dramatic tension of what you're trying to build. As good as Winter Solider (best example of just taking what others did before and just move on) is its not really complex. Stuff like Civil War undercutting BP's dramatic tension if a truly creative director wants to do his own thing. In retrospect I could see why so many directors passed (not to mention having to wrap up everything before Infinity War) and yet you could sense they had to relent on certain things for Coogler's vision.

Maybe its Infinity War being so close but they never really had time for this film. I was ok with not a great final fight scene although very irkish because it still was by far the most ambitious solo movie in the MCU. Story, acting, music, direction (pre-vis team and producers wanting CGI models get blame for the final fight imo. All the fights before that was piff) were peak shyt. Fighting was really good...until i wasnt.

“I had the naive expectation that once you get to that level nobody says ‘no., that there’s this endless supply of time and money. I learned pretty quickly that couldn’t be further from the truth. We were actually stretched pretty thin. A lot of the money went into the design elements. Next thing you know there’s not quite enough money to light the set. But it’s the difference between begging for one extra SkyPanel [on a small budget movie] and begging for an extra 50.”

Considering the movie’s box office success, Marvel will probably toss in a few more SkyPanels for the sequel.

Morrison: Black Panther was actually quite quick by Marvel standards. It was something like 72 days, where most of their films are well over 100 days. The biggest adjustment was that we shot 10-hour days (instead of the standard 12-hour days). It was tricky for me as a DP, but amazing as a mom. I went from barely seeing my son at all throughout Mudbound to actually getting home in time to tuck him into bed at night on Black Panther because of the 10-hour day, which I’m now a huge proponent of. Marvel’s reasoning is that they have such extensive costume and make-up work that by the time you get everybody disrobed and made-down for lunch and then make them back up after lunch, you’ve lost two hours anyway and you lose momentum. So their ideology was to just work straight through. That’s challenging at times because you don’t have your lunch break to reassess or make a new plan, but it was really incredible as a human being.

Morrison: Panavision wasn’t ready for us [to test the Millennium DXL]. It was just before they felt like they would have enough production support. So the day of our test they said “Sorry, we just can’t pull it off.” But we tested just about everything else. We tested IMAX, spherical 35mm, anamorphic 35mm, spherical Alexa, anamorphic Alexa, Red 8K and the Alexa 65. I think Ryan and I, as much as we dreamt of shooting on film, probably knew on some level that it just wasn’t a reality for this type of movie.

Filmmaker: Just because of the VFX component?

Morrison: Well, really what it came down to was the scheduling of it. You’re so down to the wire with the deliverables, partly because Marvel backs into their release dates. When you originate on film, if you change a VFX shot out, which happens all the time, you have to go back to the original negative and rescan that shot at a higher resolution than any of your dailies would’ve been at. There’s just not time on the back-end for that. In retrospect, I understand that now having been through the post process. We were changing things down to the night before the movie was delivered. Maybe even hours before the movie was delivered.

Filmmaker: So why not the Alexa 65?

Morrison: That was really a Ryan choice. I actually think that camera gives you a beautiful and lush image, but Ryan didn’t want that shallow depth of field look. He wanted you to be able to see the patterns in the costumes, to see the detail in the production design. He wanted those details to feel tangible and not have everything sort of fall off into the implied world. It was a similar reason for not shooting anamorphic. I love anamorphic and have used it on a lot of films. Ryan hadn’t shot anamorphic before and he just felt like with so many other firsts on Black Panther, he wanted to go with spherical lenses because he really understands those optics and how certain lenses make you feel. I felt like I should defer to him on that rather than try to pressure him into something he wasn’t comfortable with. And plenty of beautiful movies have been shot spherical on the Alexa.

DP Rachel Morrison on Black Panther, Scaling Up for Marvel and 10-Hour Days | Filmmaker Magazine


You'd hope Coogler put his foot down on getting time for the sequel...

I low key fear this Corona shyt will have them rushing again even if that wasnt their intention.

 

[Primetime]

Cause that could be explained away as "game or chess move" by T'Chaka. Another form of hiding in plainsight.

Yup, that way you dont have to radically change the solo movie other than some references to T'Chaka's strategy by Wakandans or showing Western pundits ascertaining that the small contributions Wakanda was (intentionally) providing was as good as could be expected from a "hopeless 3rd world country".

I think you gotta factor in just how tight a spot Civil War put the BP crew in. They killed T'Chaka, took away a personal connection with Klaue, T'Challa out there exposed and he lets go of his father's killer etc.etc.

It takes away the dramatic tension of what you're trying to build. As good as Winter Solider (best example of just taking what others did before and just move on) is its not really complex. Stuff like Civil War undercutting BP's dramatic tension if a truly creative director wants to do his own thing. In retrospect I could see why so many directors passed (not to mention having to wrap up everything before Infinity War) and yet you could sense they had to relent on certain things for Coogler's vision.

Maybe its Infinity War being so close but they never really had time for this film. I was ok with not a great final fight scene although very irkish because it still was by far the most ambitious solo movie in the MCU. Story, acting, music, direction (pre-vis team and producers wanting CGI models get blame for the final fight imo. All the fights before that was piff) were peak shyt. Fighting was really good...until i wasnt.






DP Rachel Morrison on Black Panther, Scaling Up for Marvel and 10-Hour Days | Filmmaker Magazine


You'd hope Coogler put his foot down on getting time for the sequel...

I low key fear this Corona shyt will have them rushing again even if that wasnt their intention.

Agreed. Feige/Disney felt they were throwing Coogler and black folks a bone (in wake of racist Ike) and so Coogler and crew had to work a bit harder and a bit more expeditiously to get shyt done in a tight window. A pricey "diversity" quota checkmark that had to be packaged up real quick using the B-team animation squad.

Given that + general expectations, Coogler hit a grand slam. But now he deserves more respect from Feige/Marvel bc now we the audience have higher expectations for him to fine-tune this franchise.

 

[BeachBum Unreal]

Yup, that way you dont have to radically change the solo movie other than some references to T'Chaka's strategy by Wakandans or showing Western pundits ascertaining that the small contributions Wakanda was (intentionally) providing was as good as could be expected from a "hopeless 3rd world country".



Agreed. Feige/Disney felt they were throwing Coogler and black folks a bone (in wake of racist Ike) and so Coogler and crew had to work a bit harder and a bit more expeditiously to get shyt done in a tight window. A pricey "diversity" quota checkmark that had to be packaged up real quick using the B-team animation squad.

Given that + general expectations, Coogler hit a grand slam. But now he deserves more respect from Feige/Marvel bc now we the audience have higher expectations for him to fine-tune this franchise.

This makes the fact that Black Panther made more than Infinity War domestically even more impressive.

 

[Ironman]

Boseman has to step up his Cqc training, he is the worse one out of the cast unfortunately.

I hope he bulks up a little bit cause he looks lighter than before on top of his new suit being scrawny. I wish they go back design wise to the Civil War one dude was a tank but still quick as hell

 

[loyola llothta]

He's got a movie coming out in 2021 that's setting up the multiverse

Push back to 2022

 

[loyola llothta]

Lowkey a lot of misses in that movie because it became a cultural moment.

Ryan and 'nem completely ignored Civil War to do another tired "origin story."

Shuri being the head scientist and able to do everything at 15 was ridiculous.

The uses of viburnum got a little out of control.

The whole Killmonger becomes king and Wakanda just excepts it thing is kinda ridiculous in hindsight.

My hope for the new movie they can clean up the writing

I agree

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Yup, that way you dont have to radically change the solo movie other than some references to T'Chaka's strategy by Wakandans or showing Western pundits ascertaining that the small contributions Wakanda was (intentionally) providing was as good as could be expected from a "hopeless 3rd world country".



Agreed. Feige/Disney felt they were throwing Coogler and black folks a bone (in wake of racist Ike) and so Coogler and crew had to work a bit harder and a bit more expeditiously to get shyt done in a tight window. A pricey "diversity" quota checkmark that had to be packaged up real quick using the B-team animation squad.

Given that + general expectations, Coogler hit a grand slam. But now he deserves more respect from Feige/Marvel bc now we the audience have higher expectations for him to fine-tune this franchise.

A part of me fears that final battle will always be brought up on some "LeBron vs. JJ Barea/Mavs series" shyt

I know every reason WHY it happened, but still hurt that happened

I hope with everything going on they dont end having to rush again

I know its hindsight, but once they factored in CGI/time constraints how did no one step up and say after they fall in the mine...maybe they should take the fight up near where the sunset will be at. Make it more like the Waterfall scenes

 

[Achille]

I have Disney Plus, and if you put your cursor over Black Panther, the header screen of the movie will show Shuri and not T'Challa. Some of those rumors may be true about them wanting to phase out T'Challa sooner than later.

 

[klientel]

Do y’all think this is actually happening? Chadwick looks rough right now, something is clearly going on with him.

They are gonna have to find a new T’Challa

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

I have Disney Plus, and if you put your cursor over Black Panther, the header screen of the movie will show Shuri and not T'Challa. Some of those rumors may be true about them wanting to phase out T'Challa sooner than later.

I think that would be purely a Boseman decision. Cant see Coogler signing off on that.

However, I will say thats the risk of hiring someone close to 40 who is expected to maintain intense shape and show off athletic skill. Downey Jr.'s in a CGI suit, same for Cheadle, Ruffalo, etc

Do y’all think this is actually happening? Chadwick looks rough right now, something is clearly going on with him.

They are gonna have to find a new T’Challa

Breh looks like Achebe

 

[klientel]

I think that would be purely a Boseman decision. Cant see Coogler signing off on that.

However, I will say thats the risk of hiring someone close to 40 who is expected to maintain intense shape and show off athletic skill. Downey Jr.'s in a CGI suit, same for Cheadle, Ruffalo, etc

Breh looks like Achebe

they either gonna have to reboot it or just pull a Don Cheadle and replace him and act like nothing happened. Chadwick is washed right now...dude just needs to focus on staying healthy these days.

I don’t think pushing Shuri as the new BP is gonna work. She’s not a warrior like that and tradition says the best warrior is BP. She’s getting murked during the first warrior falls ceremony and losing that title.

 

[Lootpack]

I thought Chadwick was only looking like that because he's starring in Spike's new movie?

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

I thought Chadwick was only looking like that because he's starring in Spike's new movie?

Unless Spike is doing secret re-shoots naw. That movie finished filming last May.

 

[Lootpack]

Unless Spike is doing secret re-shoots naw. That movie finished filming last May.

It's probably for this project where he plays a slave

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