Official MCU Black Panther 2 Thread

[Primetime]

It's the same thing with Namor, IMO. You have folks that really aren't into BP or read his comics aside from the big event stuff so they just want a civil war 2 style film for BP2 since that's all they can think of.

Dap + rep.

You never hear "hey BP should appear in the MCU X-Men movie"

or "there should be a Namor movie that co-stars T'Challa and has Wakanda destroy Atlantis in retaliation to Namor's shenanigans" (which is what happened in the comics after the "flooding").

But they want those characters all in the video in BP's movie tho. And it's due to exactly what you said, these internet pundits never read BP so now that he blew up they don't have any knowledge to speak of other than 2 big event books.

 

[BillBanneker]

Yeah, but with Namor, they can toe that line. He's a monarch, a hero, a villain, AND an a$$hole. He's perfect to build around, and can circulate (F4/Avenger/Dark Avengers/Illuminati/Cabal/Mutant)...they have no real plans for anything for their next go-round, so why not?

Storm can't fill all of those roles, and she has to be likeable.

You're proving my point, the whole "Namor should just be the villian of BP2 since I can't think of anything"

BP has enough of a rogue gallery, and there is plenty room for additional world building at this point. I also like Coogler's ability to adapt characters so it would just be a waste and a excuse to just shoehorn in Namor just cause.

Dap + rep.

You never hear "hey BP should appear in the MCU X-Men movie"

or "there should be a Namor movie that co-stars T'Challa and has Wakanda destroy Atlantis in retaliation to Namor's shenanigans" (which is what happened in the comics after the "flooding").

But they want those characters all in the video in BP's movie tho. And it's due to exactly what you said, these internet pundits never read BP so now that he blew up they don't have any knowledge to speak of other than 2 big event books.

Exactly.

 

[Primetime]

So I lurked in that big marvel studios reddit forum earlier in the week and saw they did a survey of the demographics of posters there. They sampled 4,876‬ ppl of their 986k member community. These were the results and why i don't take the "internet" seriously:

Age Range / Percentage
<16 /5.3%
16-20 /37.0%
21-25 /30.6%
26-30 /15.0%
31-35 /3.1%
36-40 /4.3%

Race /Percentage
White /63%
Asian /16%
Hispanic or Latino /9%
Mixed Race /4.5%
Black or African American /4.2%

Gender / Percentage
Male / 85.5%
Female / 13.4%
Other / 1.2%

Employment Status /Percentage
Student / 46%
Employed /41%
Unemployed, looking for job / 4.6%

Marital Status / Percentage
Single / 81%
Married /13%
Other /4.5%

Do you read comics? / Percentage
Yes /56%
No /44%


A buncha no p*ssy getting white boys and asians, half of which are jobless and don't read comics. Unsurprisingly BP isn't in their top 10 list of favorite MCU heroes. Phil fukkin Coulson is ranked #10 .

And BP movie is ranked as average/middle of the pack.

So yea, of course when it comes to internet talk about BP... i don't listen to no damn internet talk about BP

MCU BP speaks to the exact opposite demographic

 

[nieman]

You're proving my point, the whole "Namor should just be the villian of BP2 since I can't think of anything"

BP has enough of a rogue gallery, and there is plenty room for additional world building at this point. I also like Coogler's ability to adapt characters so it would just be a waste and a excuse to just shoehorn in Namor just cause.




Exactly.

They're not gonna use them like that. Cap had a rogue gallery too, and his second movie was Winter Soldier/gov't, his 3rd was other heroes Civil War. Zemo (MoE), Crossbones were turned into bit players. They have already used his 3 main villains, killed 2 (Klaw & Killmonger) and turned Man-Ape into an ally. That was one movie. And Klaw premiered in AoU. Who else will they have of that stature? BP rogue gallery isn't strong enough without a larger than life overlapping character, and they also need a jumpstart villain for the next wave of Avengers movies (akin to Loki for the first wave). Namor also opens up for F4, which is where BP started anyway. I'd say Namor for 2, Achebe for 3. You can also play off how Achebe is able to manipulate so much due to BP's heavy involvement outside of Wakanda.

For me, my main problem with the 1st movie is how they flipped to narrative of Wakandans. Wakandans don't care about anything outside of Wakanda, which was the reason BP sometimes gets the side-eye from them. For 3, have their opinions change because he's doing so much for non-Wakandan's that they are starting to see the effects, and Achebe comes in and is able to manipulate that. But first they would have to build up an outside threat (Namor).

 

[BillBanneker]

They're not gonna use them like that. Cap had a rogue gallery too, and his second movie was Winter Soldier/gov't, his 3rd was other heroes Civil War. Zemo (MoE), Crossbones were turned into bit players. They have already used his 3 main villains, killed 2 (Klaw & Killmonger) and turned Man-Ape into an ally. That was one movie. And Klaw premiered in AoU. Who else will they have of that stature? BP rogue gallery isn't strong enough without a larger than life overlapping character, and they also need a jumpstart villain for the next wave of Avengers movies (akin to Loki for the first wave). Namor also opens up for F4, which is where BP started anyway. I'd say Namor for 2, Achebe for 3. You can also play off how Achebe is able to manipulate so much due to BP's heavy involvement outside of Wakanda.

For me, my main problem with the 1st movie is how they flipped to narrative of Wakandans. Wakandans don't care about anything outside of Wakanda, which was the reason BP sometimes gets the side-eye from them. For 3, have their opinions change because he's doing so much for non-Wakandan's that they are starting to see the effects, and Achebe comes in and is able to manipulate that. But first they would have to build up an outside threat (Namor).

You're just say Namor just because. There's no real reason to establish him in a BP film since their origins aren't really tied together like that.

If the angle is to jump start a big villain, Doom would be a better name to introduce since he would have a valid reason (vibraium) and motivation at this point.

Much rather see Doom/Namor built up for a Avengers team film or better yet, a Fantastic Four film , where they're not being used to reduce the role of T'Challa and Wakanda.



As far as BP's rouge's go, W'kabi is already established, and played by a known actor, so he's pretty obvious to me . Also, Man-Ape is sort of a wild-card, who could be used either way.
Achebe is lesser known as well to the General audience so you can him or Princess Zanda, Madam Slay (), Solomon prey, B'Tumba and even go into Coats run with Changamire, Zenzi/Tetu and introduce Niganda and M'Butu (dictator) . Coolger would pretty much have free reign with these characters, and keeping the story more africa-centric; and BP1 shows you can do that for the most part. I think with Wakanda's reveal in the MCU, T'challa is going to have a negative reaction ala tony stark, to his decisions to use Wakanda tech for outreach.

 

[Luke Cage]

You're just say Namor just because. There's no real reason to establish him in a BP film since their origins aren't really tied together like that.

If the angle is to jump start a big villain, Doom would be a better name to introduce since he would have a valid reason (vibraium) and motivation at this point.

Much rather see Doom/Namor built up for a Avengers team film or better yet, a Fantastic Four film , where they're not being used to reduce the role of T'Challa and Wakanda.



As far as BP's rouge's go, W'kabi is already established, and played by a known actor, so he's pretty obvious to me . Also, Man-Ape is sort of a wild-card, who could be used either way.
Achebe is lesser known as well to the General audience so you can him or Princess Zanda, Madam Slay (), Solomon prey, B'Tumba and even go into Coats run with Changamire, Zenzi/Tetu and introduce Niganda and M'Butu (dictator) . Coolger would pretty much have free reign with these characters, and keeping the story more africa-centric; and BP1 shows you can do that for the most part. I think with Wakanda's reveal in the MCU, T'challa is going to have a negative reaction ala tony stark, to his decisions to use Wakanda tech for outreach.

The Doom suggestion is good, but the problem with that is that the casual audience identifies Doom more a FF4 villain than a BP Villain. The only way they would be in the same movie is in a crossover event film like Avengers, not a BP sequel.He is pretty much guaranteed to be introduced in a FF4 movie. Namor on the other hand is not well established on a cinematic level yet, so they can get away with reducing him to a BP villain starting out. Plus, I'm not trying to see Black Panther killing/fighting against other black people in every movie.

 

[BillBanneker]

The Doom suggestion is good, but the problem with that is that the casual audience identifies Doom more a FF4 villain than a BP Villain. The only way they would be in the same movie is in a crossover event film like Avengers, not a BP sequel.He is pretty much guaranteed to be introduced in a FF4 movie. Namor on the other hand is not well established on a cinematic level yet, so they can get away with reducing him to a BP villain starting out. Plus, I'm not trying to see Black Panther killing/fighting against other black people in every movie.

I dunno, FF4 brand is so low at this point you can have Silver Surfer and Galactus intro'd in a GOTG or Thor film at this point and no one would care. But why not introduce Namor in a FF4 film?




You didn't have any issues fighting black people in your show And smashing pawgs

And Wakanda getting destroyed by some underwater asians ain't the wave either

 

[Luke Cage]

You didn't have any issues fighting black people in your show And smashing pawgs

Them Jamaican immigrants weren't ADOS

I only smashed one pawg I also smashed Misty and Rosario

And Wakanda getting destroyed by some underwater asians ain't the wave either

They don't have to destroy Wakanda, just threaten to and before stopping it at the last minute.

 

[BillBanneker]

Them Jamaican immigrants weren't ADOS

I only smashed one pawg I also smashed Misty and Rosario


They don't have to destroy Wakanda, just threaten to and before stopping it at the last minute.

 

[John Reena]

 

[boxfullofjoel]

Can't forget Kraven The Hunter as a great BP villian too.

 

[Primetime]

You're just say Namor just because. There's no real reason to establish him in a BP film since their origins aren't really tied together like that.

If the angle is to jump start a big villain, Doom would be a better name to introduce since he would have a valid reason (vibraium) and motivation at this point.

Much rather see Doom/Namor built up for a Avengers team film or better yet, a Fantastic Four film , where they're not being used to reduce the role of T'Challa and Wakanda.



As far as BP's rouge's go, W'kabi is already established, and played by a known actor, so he's pretty obvious to me . Also, Man-Ape is sort of a wild-card, who could be used either way.
Achebe is lesser known as well to the General audience so you can him or Princess Zanda, Madam Slay (), Solomon prey, B'Tumba and even go into Coats run with Changamire, Zenzi/Tetu and introduce Niganda and M'Butu (dictator) . Coolger would pretty much have free reign with these characters, and keeping the story more africa-centric; and BP1 shows you can do that for the most part. I think with Wakanda's reveal in the MCU, T'challa is going to have a negative reaction ala tony stark, to his decisions to use Wakanda tech for outreach.

Yup, a fallacy is that Namor makes BP2 a bigger movie. The truth is BP2 does more for Namor than Namor does for BP2.

Z-list Baron Macabre, an evil necromancer sorcerer that is a 1970s BP rogue, could be the main villain and guess what? He'd go from purgatory to becoming one of the most recognizable and popular mainstream villains in comics.

Nobody outside of the 50-60,000 Americans who buy comics monthly knows namor, or cares about the political hierarchy within comics of who is a high profile hero or villain. Those 50-60k comic ppl think one way but the remaining 10s of millions of people who don't read comics but will go to the theaters opening night think this:

Erik Stevens > Erik Lehnsher

GotG > F4

 

[Ironman]

Them Jamaican immigrants weren't ADOS

I only smashed one pawg I also smashed Misty and Rosario


They don't have to destroy Wakanda, just threaten to and before stopping it at the last minute.

 

[BillBanneker]

Yup, a fallacy is that Namor makes BP2 a bigger movie. The truth is BP2 does more for Namor than Namor does for BP2.

Z-list Baron Macabre, an evil necromancer sorcerer that is a 1970s BP rogue, could be the main villain and guess what? He'd go from purgatory to becoming one of the most recognizable and popular mainstream villains in comics.

Nobody outside of the 50-60,000 Americans who buy comics monthly knows namor, or cares about the political hierarchy within comics of who is a high profile hero or villain. Those 50-60k comic ppl think one way but the remaining 10s of millions of people who don't read comics but will go to the theaters opening night think this:

Erik Stevens > Erik Lehnsher

GotG > F4

Great points. And I think a lot of comic fans of namor realize that about him, but won't admit. Especially since Aquaman came and crushed through.
Baron Macabre, forgot about him

Can't forget Kraven The Hunter as a great BP villian too.

I think Coogler originally wanted him as the villain for BP but sony.

 

[BeachBum Unreal]

So I lurked in that big marvel studios reddit forum earlier in the week and saw they did a survey of the demographics of posters there. They sampled 4,876‬ ppl of their 986k member community. These were the results and why i don't take the "internet" seriously:

Age Range / Percentage
<16 /5.3%
16-20 /37.0%
21-25 /30.6%
26-30 /15.0%
31-35 /3.1%
36-40 /4.3%

Race /Percentage
White /63%
Asian /16%
Hispanic or Latino /9%
Mixed Race /4.5%
Black or African American /4.2%

Gender / Percentage
Male / 85.5%
Female / 13.4%
Other / 1.2%

Employment Status /Percentage
Student / 46%
Employed /41%
Unemployed, looking for job / 4.6%

Marital Status / Percentage
Single / 81%
Married /13%
Other /4.5%

Do you read comics? / Percentage
Yes /56%
No /44%


A buncha no p*ssy getting white boys and asians, half of which are jobless and don't read comics. Unsurprisingly BP isn't in their top 10 list of favorite MCU heroes. Phil fukkin Coulson is ranked #10 .

And BP movie is ranked as average/middle of the pack.

So yea, of course when it comes to internet talk about BP... i don't listen to no damn internet talk about BP

MCU BP speaks to the exact opposite demographic

Yeah don’t pay attention to them whiteboys trying to spread that “BP is overrated” narrative. They’re the exact same people that’ll be first in line to pre-order BP2 tickets.