Official Luka Doncic Will Be A Bust Thread

[#1 pick]

Yet his stats don't Match up

Half a season trae

fukk outta here you dumb fukk.

If you filter it to games played from December to now (4 months of play) Young has a better FG%, 3P%, EFG%, TS%, AST%, AST/TO ratio and a better NET rating.

You look at their October, they were neck and neck. You got one shytty November and that's the only thing giving Doncic a claim. His month, Trae has been much better and lead his team to a much better record.

 

[Jax]

Cherry picking stats is lame as hell. Watching both play, Trae is better.

Cherry picking stats? Every stat but one favors Luka

 

[#1 pick]

Mavericks = 29 wins
Hawks = 27 wins




but i should make the assumption we aren't counting the 1st half of the season

Dallas had quality vets at one point. The Hawks start two 20 years old and one 21 year old. Let's not act like near teens lead teams to victory at a massive rate. There is a great we will be a playoff team in 2019-2020

 

[JayGatsby]

fukk outta here you dumb fukk.

If you filter it to games played from December to now (4 months of play) Young has a better FG%, 3P%, EFG%, TS%, AST%, AST/TO ratio and a better NET rating.

You look at their October, they were neck and neck. You got one shytty November and that's the only thing giving Doncic a claim. His month, Trae has been much better and lead his team to a much better record.

Doncic been shytting on trae all year ....

We don't play half a season out here....

 

[#1 pick]

I don't think 18 & 8 with elite defense is a slight at all..I'm agreeing with you that hes a beast. Grizzlies are my west team and hes the only thing Chris Wallace has done right in 7 years.

But the fact you took time to Google trae young rebounds vs jaren confirms that boy is TERRIBLE on glass. You know Marc big ass wasn't rebounding shyt and just contributed to how damn soft that grizz team was before val

hit the lotto talking about ten years from now my favorite cac will be ballin 10 years ago you was the nikka talking bout homo ass tyreke was the future hating on steph

I love JJJ for his role as the secondary option. Hawks needed a superstar. We got it in Trae Young. I would love to add JJJ to what we got right now. JJJ provides tremendous defensive value and would be a perfect fit with Trae, John, and Kevin.

 

[#1 pick]

Doncic been shytting on trae all year ....

We don't play half a season out here....

fukk outta here you stupid ass nikka



1. "Trae Jan / Feb > Doncic Jan / Feb.

Trae gets the win for January based on scoring efficiency for me. Check out the raw numbers for February:

Trae:
280 points on .565% TS% (Note: Almost 50% more points scored with similar efficiency)
111 assists
2.8 A/TO Ratio
51 rebounds
8 steals


Luka:
195 points on .577% TS%
59 assists
1.59 A/TO Ratio
75 rebounds
2 steals

It is Trae in a landslide for February. Way more production and a huge gap in that ball control for the month. Luka gets docked for missing games and justly so.

Do you know that actually playing more games means contributing more?

Seriously, what am I supposed to do with that? Of course Luka should be docked for taking games off and for playing less (whether by schedule, injury or coach's decision).

Trae is producing a ton more and his team is winning more. That "his team trending towards winning more and not towards losing more" part can't be overlooked either for awards (note the impact winning has on All-NBA and All-Star selections for reference).

Even on a per minute basis, Young is more efficient offensively in January when you factor in turnovers (Doncic is averaging almost 5 per game in February by far his worst month of the year). It is Trae for the month of February easily and January is more of a debate where reasonable minds can differ. For 2018, it is Luka in a landslide.

Lastly, You keep pointing to ROY when I'm saying it is Luka easily for the entire season given where things are today and that has nothing to do with the monthly analysis.

The winning issue is a team based issue not a Luka based issue. Voters disproportionately give awards to players from teams that outperform and disproportionately ignore players from teams that underperform. Atlanta has won 42% of games in February and 32% for the rest of the season - Trae's hot play has resulted in a roughly 1/3 increase in winning %. Dallas has won 40% of games in February and 45% on the rest of the season so his February has resulted in more losses for the team than normal. This is also where skipping games comes into play because it has hurt his team's win total.

So we have one player who has:

* 50% more points on similar efficiency
* 100% more assists
* A 50% better A/TO ratio
* 300% more steals
* 33% fewer rebounds

And that player's team is winning substantially more often in February versus a player on the downside of all those stats other than rebounding and whose team is on a down tick for the month (basically walking away from the playoff race over the course of the month).

As I mentioned, offensively (and offense is the big driver for these awards) Trae has also been better on a rate basis because of the turnovers for Doncic. That is reflected in their offensive ratings for the month:

* Trae 118 offensive rating - 108 offensive rating for Luka

(Notably, Trae also has the better offensive rating for January based on his big edge in scoring efficiency but it is closer)

They will both win rookie for the month for their conference but Young is the one with the better February resume. Being the second best rookie in February is no shame just like it isn't a shame for Trae fans to admit he is behind Doncic for ROY based on the year to date."

This doesn't even include March where Trae has been VASTLY superior so far.

 

[#1 pick]

From March 15th:

2. Hawks are 11-14 v. the West. The Hawks personnel matches up better v. the Western teams which tend to be pace centric. While the Mavs are 14-26 v. the West. Not to mention, Dallas had a squad full of quality vets like DeAndre Jordan, Harrison Barnes and Wes Matthews with a stud like Dennis Smith Jr. who was taken 12 slots ahead of John Collins for most of the season. These teams had completely different personnel timing and for the Hawks to be where they are is a testament to player development and internal improvement from all of the players including Trae who is only ascending from here.

3. Trae should have won December. He did not get it simply due to his terrible November and this was a punishment as they felt he didn't earn it but was the only person qualified in November and like I said, this is the only argument you have over Trae and that will soon end as Ayton will be player of the month for March so this point will die soon.

4. Be my guest, the Hawks have had injuries all year, the one constant is Trae who happens to be the conductor and we don't skip a beat without them in the lineup. Our 6th man at the start of the year is now playing for the Raptors right now. He like J.J. isn't coming back this year. We have a G-Leaguer, not the NCAA player of the year last season, in his place and still productive and still winning games.

5. Since what you noted, he has had more opportunities since the J.J. injury, his assists are 6.7 since 1/11/19 and turnovers have been 3.8. Before that, it was 5 APG and 3.2 TOV which is on par to be honest with what it was before the injury. Then add the DSJ trade, 6.3 APG to 4.1 TOV. That's not much of an improvement. In fact, he regressed. Not seeing how 5 is a fact like the other four "facts" above.

6. Trae's season defensive rating is 112.9 with 106.61 PACE which is the 10th in the entire league in PACE for players with more than 50 games played thus far. Luka is 108.8 with 101.71 PACE which is 149th in PACE. Since the trade of Smith 1/28, his PACE went down to 99.90 and his defensive rating to 110.6. His net rating for the season was -2.5 but is -8.8 since the Smith Jr trade till now. As for Trae, his defensive rating was a 116.8 at a PACE of 104.86 during the same period of time as the Smith Jr trade to now. Not only is that on par with his Hawk teammates and other Hawk starters but it's not awful at all when you see their offensive rating which has lead the NBA since All Star break by a large margin. His defensive rating needs to be looked at in scope to how we play and our youth more than if he is bad or good and yes, defensively, he is bad, especially off the ball but he is solid on the ball and has the defensive potential to be at least a net 0 and maybe even okay depending on the personnel decisions from here.

The numbers look terrible for Luka especially after the Smith trade. He went from a defensive 0 to a defensive nightmare. His teammates have been defensive nightmares too so he is not along since the Smith Jr. trade but the Barnes trade is really what killed Luka because he has been next level awful in that time period defensively. 387th in the NBA since the Barnes trade with a DefRtg of 115.7 and a PACE of 99.70. This is extremely terrible. This is the worst for a sub 100 PACE in the NBA. No one who gets constant minutes has been worse. Players Advanced

7. Luka is great at times in the 4th QT and he definitely has Luka Magic at times but he's a net 0 +/- while Trae Young is a +1. Him and Trae are both average 1 3PA in the clutch but Luka is 32.3 while Trae is 37%. Luka is 15-17 in the clutch while Trae is .500% at 14-14. Luka is averaging 3 PPG in the clutch while Trae is averaging 3.4. Luka FG% is 48.5% while Trae's is 40.6 while at the FT line, Luka is shooting a paltry 66.7% while Trae is shooting 84.8% while getting to the line more as well. TrAeTL is a more powerful potion in the clutch than Luka Magic. Players Clutch Traditional

The numbers have gotten even more favorable for Trae since this date

 

[JayGatsby]

fukk outta here you stupid ass nikka



1. "Trae Jan / Feb > Doncic Jan / Feb.

Trae gets the win for January based on scoring efficiency for me. Check out the raw numbers for February:

Trae:
280 points on .565% TS% (Note: Almost 50% more points scored with similar efficiency)
111 assists
2.8 A/TO Ratio
51 rebounds
8 steals


Luka:
195 points on .577% TS%
59 assists
1.59 A/TO Ratio
75 rebounds
2 steals

It is Trae in a landslide for February. Way more production and a huge gap in that ball control for the month. Luka gets docked for missing games and justly so.

Do you know that actually playing more games means contributing more?

Seriously, what am I supposed to do with that? Of course Luka should be docked for taking games off and for playing less (whether by schedule, injury or coach's decision).

Trae is producing a ton more and his team is winning more. That "his team trending towards winning more and not towards losing more" part can't be overlooked either for awards (note the impact winning has on All-NBA and All-Star selections for reference).

Even on a per minute basis, Young is more efficient offensively in January when you factor in turnovers (Doncic is averaging almost 5 per game in February by far his worst month of the year). It is Trae for the month of February easily and January is more of a debate where reasonable minds can differ. For 2018, it is Luka in a landslide.

Lastly, You keep pointing to ROY when I'm saying it is Luka easily for the entire season given where things are today and that has nothing to do with the monthly analysis.

The winning issue is a team based issue not a Luka based issue. Voters disproportionately give awards to players from teams that outperform and disproportionately ignore players from teams that underperform. Atlanta has won 42% of games in February and 32% for the rest of the season - Trae's hot play has resulted in a roughly 1/3 increase in winning %. Dallas has won 40% of games in February and 45% on the rest of the season so his February has resulted in more losses for the team than normal. This is also where skipping games comes into play because it has hurt his team's win total.

So we have one player who has:

* 50% more points on similar efficiency
* 100% more assists
* A 50% better A/TO ratio
* 300% more steals
* 33% fewer rebounds

And that player's team is winning substantially more often in February versus a player on the downside of all those stats other than rebounding and whose team is on a down tick for the month (basically walking away from the playoff race over the course of the month).

As I mentioned, offensively (and offense is the big driver for these awards) Trae has also been better on a rate basis because of the turnovers for Doncic. That is reflected in their offensive ratings for the month:

* Trae 118 offensive rating - 108 offensive rating for Luka

(Notably, Trae also has the better offensive rating for January based on his big edge in scoring efficiency but it is closer)

They will both win rookie for the month for their conference but Young is the one with the better February resume. Being the second best rookie in February is no shame just like it isn't a shame for Trae fans to admit he is behind Doncic for ROY based on the year to date."

This doesn't even include March where Trae has been VASTLY superior so far.

So many 30pt games











Still on 18PPG

Look at you working overtime

 

[#1 pick]

So many 30pt games











Still on 18PPG

Look at you working overtime

He is averaging 19ppg and he is only playing under 31 mpg.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

"cherry picking stats" when the entire argument of Luka detectors generally revolves around making statements like "but if you look at player X's 3pt% since Dec 1 and APG since Feb 14 he's got a case!"

 

[#1 pick]

"cherry picking stats" when the entire argument of Luka detectors generally revolves around making statements like "but if you look at player X's 3pt% since Dec 1 and APG since Feb 14 he's got a case!"

Your boy Tyreke Doncic leading yall to so many wins since yall the Jordan trade.

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Trae has been better since the all star break, if u wanna hold the slow start against him, fine

the NBA has a steep learning curve and it took a while for Trae to adapt, but I think next season will be a better indicator of where they stand respective to one another

 

[Steezy]

Cacic fans talking bout we don't play half a season them boys done won 4 games since new years

 

[Professor Emeritus]

hit the lotto talking about ten years from now my favorite cac will be ballin 10 years ago you was the nikka talking bout homo ass tyreke was the future hating on steph

10 years ago I was at the bar cheering the hell out of Steph as he took on Kansas. I loved his game.

I liked Trae's game in college too, but I still don't think it translates to the pros the way Steph's does. One of my issues with Trae is that he doesn't have the Steph's athleticism or Steph's ability to score at the basket.

I did think think Tyreke was gonna be good too though.

Terrible shiity ass hot take. Trae is leading us to wins fool. He is an impact player. While Tyreke Doncic ain't winning shyt without his veteran cast

I say one word about Doncic in there? I was talking about JJJ.

(Doncic is better than Trae though )

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Cacic fans talking bout we don't play half a season them boys done won 4 games since new years