Official Lovecraft Country Thread

[ML29]

This was pretty apparent to me.

me too but I never thought they would actually be dumb enough to actually confirm that publicly.

 

[NZA]

I heard that on their podcast for the show the writers were talking about how they got saddled with having to use Tic as the main character and felt burdened by having to Attempt to empathize with him. And that lines up with how I feel he was used. Viewers of the show picked up on their dislike for him, which is why he was one of the more disliked characters on social media.

this was very apparent by the midway point in this series

 

[Ziggiy]

We want our men to live through adversity not die on screen and become martyrs. We see enough of this in real life

anybody who doesn’t understand this is an idiot plain and simple

 

[King Sun]

Great show. Weird to see dudes complain about this show is mind blowing but this the coli.com

 

[Ironman]

I heard that on their podcast for the show the writers were talking about how they got saddled with having to use Tic as the main character and felt burdened by having to Attempt to empathize with him. And that lines up with how I feel he was used. Viewers of the show picked up on their dislike for him, which is why he was one of the more disliked characters on social media.

Man that sucks hearing

 

[MostReal]

Thats understandable but everyone's constant trashing of the show can be the very reason why we may not get to see Tic's son or any other male character become that top guy and do some real work. The show isnt perfect but tv series do need seasons to develop its story lines and characters and work out the flaws.

If Tic's son is shown he'll more than likely be a pansexual or effeminate male. So it won't really matter anyway

Straight Black men don't survive in this show's universe

 

[ML29]

If Tic's son is shown he'll more than likely be a pansexual or effeminate male. So it won't really matter anyway

Straight Black men don't survive in this show's universe

And even If he’s allowed to exist for any decent amount of time they’ll slot him into the trope of bratty/annoying kid or teen character that people always hate.

 

[nieman]

How can you assume that? Im still trying to figure out how this show is so anti black men. No one has yet to give me a true example. Educate me breh. Mfers is trashing this show like its showing us being drug dealers, gang bangers, or on some moonlight shyt. Literally Tic's father was the only man who was weak and we actually get to see why in the finale instead of it being some just because shyt. Every other man was putting some work in in the show. shyt even those men in Tulsa was shown fighting, shooting back, and protecting the women.

I said why in my other response. I don't think it was intentionally done, however, this show is pro-black woman, and undermines the black man. In the book (written by a white man BTW), Uncle George doesn't die, neither does Tic. Montross isn't gay, and Hippolyta & George have a son named Horace, not a daughter named Diana. And Christina is Caleb, William is a separate character.

The relationships are the same, except Montross and Atticus tension isn't because of Montross' own insecurities of being gay, it's because he's hardened and beaten by life of a black man during those times. He also doesn't like that Atticus is so invested in fantasy/sci-fi, where reality is much more cruel. He just doesn't approve of escapism through fiction. George and Atticus still have their bond through their appreciation of the genre. Hell, this angle would've been more powerful because it shows the division we have/had in the black communities because of some of our appreciation of sci-fi/fantasy. That could've been explored. We also got to see the bond between Montross & George in the book...and there's no George could be your father either. The only reason to change Horace to Diana was to play up the Wonder Woman angle. The characters are the same, other than that...well not their fate. These changes do affect how powerful black men can be perceived by the public. The straight black men die, children will grow up without a father in the household, the straight men are essentially martyrs...I have a problem with that. The black men in the book outsmart the white folk, and the only folk to die are white folk. They beat them at their own game, and live their lives in happiness, free of the BS.

Like I said, I don't think they were intentional, but in the book, the women characters are just as power as the men, and all are allowed equal shine. So changing them weren't necessary. You don't have to minimize ie character to prop up another. I would compare it to a Tyler Perry product.

 

[Splakavellie504]

I said why in my other response. I don't think it was intentionally done, however, this show is pro-black woman, and undermines the black man. In the book (written by a white man BTW), Uncle George doesn't die, neither does Tic. Montross isn't gay, and Hippolyta & George have a son named Horace, not a daughter named Diana. And Christina is Caleb, William is a separate character.

The relationships are the same, except Montross and Atticus tension isn't because of Montross' own insecurities of being gay, it's because he's hardened and beaten by life of a black man during those times. He also doesn't like that Atticus is so invested in fantasy/sci-fi, where reality is much more cruel. He just doesn't approve of escapism through fiction. George and Atticus still have their bond through their appreciation of the genre. Hell, this angle would've been more powerful because it shows the division we have/had in the black communities because of some of our appreciation of sci-fi/fantasy. That could've been explored. We also got to see the bond between Montross & George in the book...and there's no George could be your father either. The only reason to change Horace to Diana was to play up the Wonder Woman angle. The characters are the same, other than that...well not their fate. These changes do affect how powerful black men can be perceived by the public. The straight black men die, children will grow up without a father in the household, the straight men are essentially martyrs...I have a problem with that. The black men in the book outsmart the white folk, and the only folk to die are white folk. They beat them at their own game, and live their lives in happiness, free of the BS.

Like I said, I don't think they were intentional, but in the book, the women characters are just as power as the men, and all are allowed equal shine. So changing them weren't necessary. You don't have to minimize ie character to prop up another. I would compare it to a Tyler Perry product.

Solid response. I havent read the book to compare but by your response, they should have easily stuck with that. I wasnt going to bash the show without seeing what the show would do with another season or two. I try to be more patient on black shows because I personally know the type of bullshyt they deal with behind the scenes when pitching and creating these shows.

 

[MostReal]

I said why in my other response. I don't think it was intentionally done, however, this show is pro-black woman, and undermines the black man. In the book (written by a white man BTW), Uncle George doesn't die, neither does Tic. Montross isn't gay, and Hippolyta & George have a son named Horace, not a daughter named Diana. And Christina is Caleb, William is a separate character.

The relationships are the same, except Montross and Atticus tension isn't because of Montross' own insecurities of being gay, it's because he's hardened and beaten by life of a black man during those times. He also doesn't like that Atticus is so invested in fantasy/sci-fi, where reality is much more cruel. He just doesn't approve of escapism through fiction. George and Atticus still have their bond through their appreciation of the genre. Hell, this angle would've been more powerful because it shows the division we have/had in the black communities because of some of our appreciation of sci-fi/fantasy. That could've been explored. We also got to see the bond between Montross & George in the book...and there's no George could be your father either. The only reason to change Horace to Diana was to play up the Wonder Woman angle. The characters are the same, other than that...well not their fate. These changes do affect how powerful black men can be perceived by the public. The straight black men die, children will grow up without a father in the household, the straight men are essentially martyrs...I have a problem with that. The black men in the book outsmart the white folk, and the only folk to die are white folk. They beat them at their own game, and live their lives in happiness, free of the BS.

Like I said, I don't think they were intentional, but in the book, the women characters are just as power as the men, and all are allowed equal shine. So changing them weren't necessary. You don't have to minimize ie character to prop up another. I would compare it to a Tyler Perry product.

Great post but best believe it was intentional

 

[nieman]

Great post but best believe it was intentional

The only reason I don't think it was intentional, was because the men weren't bumbling idiots ( a la Star Wars sequel trilogy). Tic & George were strong characters, Montross was solid, but I think she saw a story in the women that needed to be enhanced. In doing so, it sealed the men's fate. Especially, in changing Caleb to Christina, having her own issues with being a woman in the white man's world...making her the primary villain throughout. It's like she routinely forgot about the men of the show, so she always took them out, then had to return to develop them.

 

[HARLEM AL]

Man I Started this show and I'm conflicted so far. The show as a whole so far seems like good entertainment but I don't care for the agenda theyre pushing. It ruins it....... But I'm going fight the good fight.

 

[humminbird]

I heard that on their podcast for the show the writers were talking about how they got saddled with having to use Tic as the main character and felt burdened by having to Attempt to empathize with him. And that lines up with how I feel he was used. Viewers of the show picked up on their dislike for him, which is why he was one of the more disliked characters on social media.

Fukk these writers
They didn’t want to write a strong black male character?

 

[nieman]

I heard that on their podcast for the show the writers were talking about how they got saddled with having to use Tic as the main character and felt burdened by having to Attempt to empathize with him. And that lines up with how I feel he was used. Viewers of the show picked up on their dislike for him, which is why he was one of the more disliked characters on social media.

The irony is that they didn't even have to do that. The book set up the show as an anthology type, which each portion focusing on a different character. It was their decision to make Tic the sole protagonist, and incorporate everything from his point of view. It was their decision to throw him in on every single side mission, except Diana's. It was their decision to have him save every single person from their dilemma. It was their decision to develop a romance angle, just to ultimately have him not involved in the end.

 

[ML29]

The irony is that they didn't even have to do that. The book set up the show as an anthology type, which each portion focusing on a different character. It was their decision to make Tic the sole protagonist, and incorporate everything from his point of view. It was their decision to throw him in on every single side mission, except Diana's. It was their decision to have him save every single person from their dilemma. It was their decision to develop a romance angle, just to ultimately have him not involved in the end.

the writers did what they set out and intended to do from jump.