Official Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Collapse Thread...They're absolutely FU&KED!!!

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That shyt is fukking pathetic... they should have been stacking... I mean for all the debt the us has I know they got slush funds and shadow accounts of millions of dollars just sitting there, also the gold reserves...:francis:

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not sure about the other two. Not like the usa needs any of it.. as long as it has reserve currency status and that global force of good military.
 

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That shyt is fukking pathetic... they should have been stacking... I mean for all the debt the us has I know they got slush funds and shadow accounts of millions of dollars just sitting there, also the gold reserves...:francis:

Yeah they should have but their culture and society won't allow that sort of revolutionary thinking. The whole region is in big trouble if oil prices don't rebound

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Basically to fix their problem they have to destroy all their values about how a society should be run and the role of religion. And to do that first they have to get rid of all the Wahhabi conservative leaders, which will piss off the people since the Wahhabis are popular.

Failure to introduce critical thinking into their culture will make Saudi non-competitive in a generation. Oil money only goes so far; it’s a finite well that doesn’t have to run out to become ineffective. As soon as Saudi cannot pay some ridiculous food or wedding bills to even a few citizens, they risk a cascade of complaints that could tear their kingdom apart. So Saudi must do something.

But critical thinking will invariably challenge everything Saudi society believes in. You can’t get a creative problem solving engineer who won’t notice working for a retarded royal cousin is bullshyt. Additionally, Saudi’s official brand of culture is afraid of everything and convinced anything not Saudi is evil. Upon learning that nations don’t fall when couples kiss in public (or that flogging people is a terrible crime deterrent), Saudi citizens will reject the official culture and the government’s central legitimacy will be lost.

I almost feel sorry for the Saud family, they're in a situation where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
 

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They need to change into a true democracy if they expect to survive look at Britain its not a monarchy anymore. Saudi could have literally changed the world if they wanted they had the money and resources and iys being squandered... :snoop:
 

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Not laughing but I want that repressive hell hole to get it's just due.
Problem is you know how this really works breh. When hellfire comes the people in power are usually the last to suffer, if at all. The clerics and muftis truly in control of KSA are invincible.... they have the people brainwashed and the House of Saud held hostage. So I'm not with the shyts unless there's a real effort to get at the people who actually deserve it. No more collateral damage, that's ISIS/al-Whatever's main recruiting tool.
 

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They need to change into a true democracy if they expect to survive look at Britain its not a monarchy anymore. Saudi could have literally changed the world if they wanted they had the money and resources and iys being squandered... :snoop:
I think the royal family does..... it's the clerics holding shyt up.
 

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This is just delaying it. If prices stay high they're still going to run into the same problem fifty years from now when there is nothing left/nobody uses oil anymore.
Fifty years is an eternity in the face of a jihadi insurrection tomorrow breh

Most of the Saudi leaders won't even be alive in 50 years fam

They have to take a short term outlook for their survival
 

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Problem is you know how this really works breh. When hellfire comes the people in power are usually the last to suffer, if at all. The clerics and muftis truly in control of KSA are invincible.... they have the people brainwashed and the House of Saud held hostage. So I'm not with the shyts unless there's a real effort to get at the people who actually deserve it. No more collateral damage, that's ISIS/al-Whatever's main recruiting tool.
 

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Saudi Arabia switches to Western-style calendar to cut costs

Until now, Saudi Arabia has calculated the pay for public servants according to the Hijri lunar calendar, in which a year is 11 days shorter than in the Western system. By switching to the Gregorian calendar, public servants will effectively have to work an extra 11 days a year with no extra pay.

According to Joseph Kechichian, a senior fellow at the King Faisal Center for Research and Islamic Studies in Saudi Arabia, the change is part of a wider policy to slash government spending: "There are too many expenses that have to be settled. The subsidies are accumulating, and the price of oil is down. And some people are going to hurt as a result of this latest decision."

For decades, the Saudi government has operated a generous welfare state for its citizens, backed by oil revenue. Essentials such as gasoline, water and electricity are all heavily subsidized, while the public sector is large and generously paid.

As the price of oil has fallen, the government has been forced to take emergency measures to reduce this spending. Last year, Saudi citizens saw the price of gasoline rise by 80 percent as a result of the withdrawal of subsidies. Public employee pay has also been cut by up to 20 percent, and bonuses and annual leave have been cut.

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Saudi Arabia switches to Western-style calendar to cut costs

Until now, Saudi Arabia has calculated the pay for public servants according to the Hijri lunar calendar, in which a year is 11 days shorter than in the Western system. By switching to the Gregorian calendar, public servants will effectively have to work an extra 11 days a year with no extra pay.

According to Joseph Kechichian, a senior fellow at the King Faisal Center for Research and Islamic Studies in Saudi Arabia, the change is part of a wider policy to slash government spending: "There are too many expenses that have to be settled. The subsidies are accumulating, and the price of oil is down. And some people are going to hurt as a result of this latest decision."

For decades, the Saudi government has operated a generous welfare state for its citizens, backed by oil revenue. Essentials such as gasoline, water and electricity are all heavily subsidized, while the public sector is large and generously paid.

As the price of oil has fallen, the government has been forced to take emergency measures to reduce this spending. Last year, Saudi citizens saw the price of gasoline rise by 80 percent as a result of the withdrawal of subsidies. Public employee pay has also been cut by up to 20 percent, and bonuses and annual leave have been cut.

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Its gonna come a moment...when the money ain't enough :wow:
 

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Kingdom Comedown: Falling Oil Prices Shock Saudi Middle Class

Lower revenue hurts economy, prompting government to withdraw some benefits; as cost of living rises, consumers cut back on spending
By
Ahmed Al Omran in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and
Nikhil Lohade in Dubai
Sept. 23, 2016 5:30 a.m. ET
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A Saudi couple looked at jewelry in the capital Riyadh in April. Middle-class Saudi consumers are experiencing an unfamiliar wave of belt-tightening. Photo: FAYEZ NURELDINE/AFP/Getty Images

Mohammed Idrees used to travel to London once or twice a year, but these days the Saudi civil servant is asking his wife and children to cut back on using the family car to save fuel and has installed a solar panel for the kitchen to reduce electricity costs.

For decades, Saudi nationals such as Mr. Idrees enjoyed a cozy lifestyle in the desert kingdom as its rulers spent hundreds of billions of dollars of its oil revenue to subsidize essentials such as fuel, water and electricity.

But a sharp drop in the price of oil, Saudi Arabia’s main revenue source, has forced the government to withdraw some benefits this year—raising the cost of living in the kingdom and hurting its middle class, a part of society long insulated from such problems.

Saudi Arabia heads into next week’s meeting of major oil producers in a tight spot. With a slowing economy and shrinking foreign reserves, the kingdom is coming under pressure to take steps that support the price of oil, as it did this month with an accord it struck with Russia.

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Sand dunes near the Shaybah oil field, some 500 miles southeast of the eastern Saudi oil center of Dhahran. Low oil prices have plagued the kingdom’s economy. Photo: IAN TIMBERLAKE/AFP/Getty Images
The sharp price drop is mainly because of a glut in the market, in part caused by Saudi Arabia itself. The world’s top oil producer continues to pump crude at record levels to defend its market share.

One option to lift prices that could work, some analysts say, is to freeze output at a certain level and exempt Iran from such a deal, given that its push to increase production to pre-sanction levels appears to have stalled in recent months. Saudi Arabia has previously refused to sign any deal that exempts arch-rival Iran.

As its people start feeling the pain, that could change.

The kingdom is grappling with major job losses among its construction workers—many from poorer countries—as some previously state-backed construction companies suffer from drying up government funding.

Those spending cuts are now hitting the Saudi working middle class.

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Saudi consumers in major cities, the majority of them employed by the government, have become more conscious about their spending in recent months, said Areej al-Aqel from Sown Advisory, which provides financial-planning services for middle-class individuals and families. That means cutting back on a popular activity for most middle-class Saudis: dining out.

“Most people are ordering less food or they change their orders to more affordable options,” she said.

To boost state finances, Saudi Arabia cut fuel, electricity and water subsidies in December, after posting a record budget deficit last year. It also plans to cut the amount of money it spends on public wages and raise more non-oil revenue by introducing taxes.

But in response to these moves, inflation more than doubled from last year to about 4% now, crimping consumers even more.

The government doesn’t have much choice. Saudi Arabia’s real growth in gross domestic product slowed to 1.5% in the first quarter from the year-earlier period, according to its statistics office, and Capital Economics says data suggest it may have contracted by more than 2% in the second quarter. Much of that slowdown is related to consumer-facing sectors, which have struggled since the start of 2016 as rising inflation has eroded household incomes.

The political stakes for managing this slowdown are high. Saudi Arabia survived the Arab Spring unrest that toppled several autocratic leaders across the region and forced some others to change, largely by offering cash handouts and more government jobs to placate its people. About two thirds of Saudi workers are employed by government related entities.

Besides cushy jobs, such middle-class Saudis also received substantial overtime payments and regular bonuses. At the time of his ascension to the throne early last year, King Salman ordered a hefty bonus payment to government employees.

Such largess is looking like a thing of the past.

Besides cutting state handouts such as subsidized electricity and water, the government also plans to reduce money it spends on public wages to 40% of the budget by 2020 from 45% as part of its ambitious plan to transform the oil-dependent economy. It aims to cut one-fifth of its civil service as well.

Saudis are beginning to speak out about a sense of anxiety about the economy. “I think we are going through a difficult period,” said Emad al-Majed, a Riyadh-based pharmacy technician. “There will be suffering.”

Mr. Majed, who has two children, took a bank loan to purchase an apartment last year, a decision he said made him reconsider his spending habits.

“If you are used to a certain level of spending, how can you be told to limit your expenses and cancel some stuff?” he asked. “It is a good idea, but in practice it will be difficult for so many people.”

Saudi nationals are reluctant to gripe about rising costs, but there is clear discontent, some analysts say. In a region engulfed in political and sectarian strife, Saudi Arabia can ill-afford similar turmoil.

“Discontent so far has been mildly expressed,” said Robin Mills, chief executive at Qamar Energy, a Dubai-based consulting firm. “If the slowdown continues and starts affecting local jobs, that could change.”

For the kingdom’s fiscal position to improve significantly, analysts say oil prices would need to rise to $70 a barrel, up from about $46 now.

Saudi Arabia and the other large producers failed to reach a production-freeze deal in April, but its people are now increasingly jittery over their future. That has made people like Mr. Idrees, the civil servant, more cautious about spending because he sees people like him bearing the brunt of efforts to offset slipping oil revenue.

“I have become more diligent about spending because my view of the future is pessimistic,” he said. “There is a lot of talk about diversifying the economy, but the focus seems to be solely on increasing taxes.”

—Summer Said contributed to this article.

Write to Ahmed Al Omran at Ahmed.AlOmran@wsj.com and Nikhil Lohade at Nikhil.Lohade@wsj.com


Yep this shyt was hurting them in the late 90s as well. When the economy is good oil prices drop. shyt America/European oil companies are losing money like crazy since 2010. After record profits during the 2000s. We are just in a replay of the late 90s now.

But don't worry the economy will be coming down in the next 2 to 3 years so we will be back to 4 dollars or more gas. shyt just a damn cycle. Saudis and the American / European oil companies will be making money hand over fist in a few years.
 

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The biggest difference between now and the 90s is a couple of things. The shale gas industry has survivded. The only reason why Saudi Arabia allowed more production of oil back in 2012 was to kill the North American shale gas industry. The reason was simple the shale gas industry has actually lowered gas prices and bring more supply into the oil market. Now that Saudi Arabia has mulled they may cut production this will only help the shale gas industry. The price goes up and the shale gas industry will boom while OPEC nations with the exception of Iran,Iraq,Libya and Nigeria will suffer. Second the Saudis are burning cash like crazy. The biggest example is the war in Yemen. The Saudis are spending $20 million a day in that war. Mind you the US is spending $11 million a day with the war against ISIS in Iraq and Syria and Russia is spending $3 million a day in their intervention in Syria. And this war is a bogged down stalemate for the Saudis. It isnt going to end any time soon. It has essentially becomed their Afghan War. Iran and Russia made it clear they wont cut production. So even if the Saudis cut production the price of gas will go up but it wont reach the $64.50 the Saudis needs because Iran,Russia,Iraq and the shale gas industry will only increase production. So they are fukked as the thread title says.
 

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Saudi Arabia switches to Western-style calendar to cut costs

Until now, Saudi Arabia has calculated the pay for public servants according to the Hijri lunar calendar, in which a year is 11 days shorter than in the Western system. By switching to the Gregorian calendar, public servants will effectively have to work an extra 11 days a year with no extra pay.

According to Joseph Kechichian, a senior fellow at the King Faisal Center for Research and Islamic Studies in Saudi Arabia, the change is part of a wider policy to slash government spending: "There are too many expenses that have to be settled. The subsidies are accumulating, and the price of oil is down. And some people are going to hurt as a result of this latest decision."

For decades, the Saudi government has operated a generous welfare state for its citizens, backed by oil revenue. Essentials such as gasoline, water and electricity are all heavily subsidized, while the public sector is large and generously paid.

As the price of oil has fallen, the government has been forced to take emergency measures to reduce this spending. Last year, Saudi citizens saw the price of gasoline rise by 80 percent as a result of the withdrawal of subsidies. Public employee pay has also been cut by up to 20 percent, and bonuses and annual leave have been cut.

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That's one way to do it

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