Drew Wonder
Superstar
Yup. I'm so used to underdeveloped romantic relationships in movies like this that I just figured it was lazy writing. They got me good with the reveal
Official JOKER Thread (SPOILERS)
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What reveal?
Drew Wonder
Superstar
I knew that but was the reveal at the apt
Great movie. I’ll be seeing this again. I hope they continue making these types of movies.
I believe he actually did. I agree all of this film in general is based for interpretation, but check this perspective. The whole purpose of imagining Sophia was to have her as someone who, outside of his own mother, was supportive of him. Hell, even his own mother questioned him to be a comedian. So, every time she showed it, it was during a period where he was either felt empowered like after killing Wanye's employees or feeling vulnerable like when he was trying to do his stand-up and when she magically appeared at the hospital room with him. Once the truth was revealed about his mother and in turn the truth about himself, everything was shattered. It's why he came to her apartment FOR REAL and saw her as someone unlike whom he imagined which was always there supportive. The moment she said something about his mother, that's when it cut to the scene of him leaving. To me, I feel he DID kill her, because this also sets off the motivate to kill his own mother that next day. Also the sirens and the lights of the sirens came straight to that apartment and if you paid attention (I seen it twice), You hear a person banging at the door down the hall whole Arthur was chilling back at his apartment.
I do think you have to take into consideration that this ENTIRE film is based upon an unreliable narrator to include the subplot with Thomas Wayne. It's definitely not anything that's shoe'd-in because this was how Arthur learned the truth about his mother and the fact he had trauma and PTSD from his abused childhood and was adopted. Plus, Arthur eventually despised Thomas Wayne and expresses his resentment on the Murray Franklin show which put added fuel to the fire for the people of Gotham who praised the murders of Wayne's employees and also resented Thomas Wanye for calling them "clowns".... so there was MOTIVE. The question in regards to realism, you have to take all of that with a grain of salt, because this is a movie that is 100% from JOKER's PERSPECTIVE, which again is unreliable. We do not know what's real or what's fake. We do know, because we know the comic book origin of Batman repetitively that Bruce's witnessed his parents getting murdered in an alley after leaving from seeing Zorro. But the twist is HOW'D would Joker known how they were killed. At the end of the movie while he was cackling and told the therapist "you wouldn't get it", it was HE that was IMAGINING Bruce's deaths of those parents. So, that could of been all from his imagination of how his parents were killed and want to take credit for anything real or imagined anyway. The final see before that where he was dance and taking a bow on the cop car among his riotous fans was clearly a possibility of his delusional imagination...so trying to question how realistic the murder of Bruce's parents is almost moot when it's been established that nothing in this film can be legitimately be real. It's like with the Killing Joke... it's all multiple choice.
That scene at the end was imagined. The two subtle clues are if you look at how the inside of the asylum look when he went there to get his mother's records, the cinematography had it all bleak, run-down, unclean. Whereas at the end of the film, it was bright, sunny, and clean as if it was a dream sequence. The other clue is if you paid attention, Joker was handcuffed while speaking to the therapist...but when he left the office, he clearly was not. Granted he could of found a way to take off the handcuffs, but being that most of this film is unreliable and in his own mind, it is more plausible that this is in his head too.
I want to see this joker vs the Batman
watching this movie just reminded me how we are lucky brehs to have good parents and be raised in a decent household
watching this movie just reminded me how we are lucky brehs to have good parents and be raised in a decent household
saw it again today. I can’t really think of an origin story that provides better development into what we are familiar with. i didn’t recognize the joker I know, until the talk show interview...he went full ceasar romero classic making sure he got full credit for the shyt he did. I was like...there he is. see now you have a guy with nothing but time on his hands, idle mind and all that, who has cracked the code to his own mental illness and embraced it..plenty match for Batman or anybody else really. I hope they continue with this style for at least a few more movies. I really want to see how this joker becomes a trickster god[]
After reading some more negative Joker reviews it might be time to throw old media (and it's new media offspring) film criticism in the bushes.
These old cacs are just picking words out of a thesaurus, throwing in a current societal issue and calling it a review. Terrible.
These old cacs are just picking words out of a thesaurus, throwing in a current societal issue and calling it a review. Terrible.
and he did his ritual dance after each
Remember early on in the movie when he was talking to his social worker, she mentioned him being hospitalized before, and they cut to him in an all white room banging his head on the door. This looked very similar to where he was at the end.
The question is was that quick cut a flashback or where he was the entire movie, and everything we saw was him telling the therapist his "joke"
The question is was that quick cut a flashback or where he was the entire movie, and everything we saw was him telling the therapist his "joke"
From an editing and direction perspective, I wish they didn't beat you over the head by the flashbacks to show you that.
Her saying, "Your name is Arthur, right?" was enough.
Fire ass movie
The scene when his former co workers stop by to check on him
The scene when his former co workers stop by to check on him