Official JOKER Thread (SPOILERS)

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About the girl:
I don't think Arthur killed her, they left it to our imagination but it wouldn't fit the logic of the movie to me. As much as Arthur went insane he always killed people whp previously were wrong to him. The Wallstreet schmucks attacked him, the co-worker fukked him over on a major way, Murray was his hero who only made fun out of him and his whole life was traumatised for life and his whole life was a lie because of his mother. He resorted to drastic measures but for all these murders he has a motivation based on personal conflict. The girl was never bad to him, never made fun out of him so I don't think he killed her.

It's just a very minor thing but I felt killing the Waynes was unnecessary at the end, seemed to be there just to make some sort of a forced connection with the Batman origin. It wasn't realistic, everybody probably knew about the clown riots, there's no way a wanna be mayor, powerful man like Thomas Wayne would just take a walk with his family on the street without any kind of protection in times like that. Thomas Wayne's portrayal was refreshing in the movie though, I liked that, in all Batman movies he's just the "poor guy who got killed by some a$$hole"
 

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About the girl:
I don't think Arthur killed her, they left it to our imagination but it wouldn't fit the logic of the movie to me. As much as Arthur went insane he always killed people whp previously were wrong to him. The Wallstreet schmucks attacked him, the co-worker fukked him over on a major way, Murray was his hero who only made fun out of him and his whole life was traumatised for life and his whole life was a lie because of his mother. He resorted to drastic measures but for all these murders he has a motivation based on personal conflict. The girl was never bad to him, never made fun out of him so I don't think he killed her.

It's just a very minor thing but I felt killing the Waynes was unnecessary at the end, seemed to be there just to make some sort of a forced connection with the Batman origin. It wasn't realistic, everybody probably knew about the clown riots, there's no way a wanna be mayor, powerful man like Thomas Wayne would just take a walk with his family on the street without any kind of protection in times like that. Thomas Wayne's portrayal was refreshing in the movie though, I liked that, in all Batman movies he's just the "poor guy who got killed by some a$$hole"

. I disagree because what about the lady at the end at the asylum.. She didn't wrong him and we see he spilled a lot of her blood..


I agree with you on the Wayne part tho..
 

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Joker to Have Record-Breaking Opening Weekend at the Box Office
Joker is set to break records in its opening weekend. The film is on track for a $94 million opening weekend at the box office. That's more than enough to surpass the October opening weekend record set by Venom last year when it debuted to $80 million. Joker already broke the October Friday box office record by earning $39.8 million on its first day in theaters. It is also a career-best opening for director Todd Phillips, whose previous high opening was The Hangover 2's $85.9 million. It's also an opening weekend record for star Joaquin Phoenix, whose previous high mark was $60.1 million for Signs in 2002.
 

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. I disagree because what about the lady at the end at the asylum.. She didn't wrong him and we see he spilled a lot of her blood..


I agree with you on the Wayne part tho..
yeah that left me a little confused so I didn't even count it in his movie kills, maybe it should be...
Wasn't it the same psychiatrist who he said "never listened to him"? That could have been a motivation behind

Also if we take it as the character gonna turn into the Joker we know from the comics it could be logical that by the very end of the movie he reaches a step where he kills people who did him no harm too not just those who did. I still doN't think he was at that stage when he didn't kill or killed the girl
 

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Didn't know, thanks, meanwhile I edited the post with another possible explanation
Yeah that's why when the lady asks what's so funny he says you wouldn't get the joke. I think that was the sign he's killed her and is fully the maniacal Joker we know. Plus he's walking out the room with blood on his shoes while the orderlies chase him.
 

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yeah that left me a little confused so I didn't even count it in his movie kills, maybe it should be...
Wasn't it the same psychiatrist who he said "never listened to him"? That could have been a motivation behind

Also if we take it as the character gonna turn into the Joker we know from the comics it could be logical that by the very end of the movie he reaches a step where he kills people who did him no harm too not just those who did. I still doN't think he was at that stage when he didn't kill or killed the girl


. Idk I think its implied he killed her.. Because there was no goodbye or her watching him leave.. Just him looking at her, her being scared then him leaving.. I know that doesn't mean he killed her but there wasn't anything showing he didn't..
 
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