And to add, in the movie UNBREAKABLE. After spending practically his entire adult life, searching and committing terrorist acts throughout the world. What was the CHANCES of him actually finding someone who is the exact opposite of him in the SAME EXACT CITY? All of that being fate. So, even with that in mind. And what was confirmed to him. It is no reason for him not doubt some opportunity would emerge at some point in this film.
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Also, to add to @gluvnast points, since when does a genius only have one plan. Glass probably saw a whole bunch of ways to get his goals accomplished.
One of the points the movie makes is that everyone thinks they're the good guys - the Clover leaf org wouldn't just kill the kids/mom, they didn't even want to kill the superpowers because the organisation is nonviolent first. Glass might've deduced this, since he became aware of them at some point in the 19 year captivity. Plus the org didn't know he got into the system. He purposefully revealed parts of his plans to them as a slight of hand so he could hide some others.
At the movie's near end there's a few ways he will win:
- the fight moves to the tower and everybody will see it.
- loved ones will expose the footage (We also don't even know if the footage was ONLY sent to those three).
If Dunn/beast never get arrested, we get a different movie - bit of a weird thing to criticize the story for being the story.
One of the points the movie makes is that everyone thinks they're the good guys - the Clover leaf org wouldn't just kill the kids/mom, they didn't even want to kill the superpowers because the organisation is nonviolent first. Glass might've deduced this, since he became aware of them at some point in the 19 year captivity. Plus the org didn't know he got into the system. He purposefully revealed parts of his plans to them as a slight of hand so he could hide some others.
At the movie's near end there's a few ways he will win:
- the fight moves to the tower and everybody will see it.
- loved ones will expose the footage (We also don't even know if the footage was ONLY sent to those three).
If Dunn/beast never get arrested, we get a different movie - bit of a weird thing to criticize the story for being the story.
One more point to make as well..... Dr. Staples knew everything about not just Kevin Wendall Crumb, but David Dunn and his history and weakness. For 19 years no one else with the exception of his son and Mr. Glass known about this. So how do you THINK Dr. Staples known about David Dunn if it's not getting that information from Mr. Glass? As much as Mr. Glass was aware and known about everything else that was going on in that facility, he should of known that they were out to search for Dunn as well as The Horde. So it wasn't just by happenstance to BEGIN WITH. Someone that is knowledgeable about everything that was going on in that asylum would of knew who Dr. Staples was hunting for.
TheGodling
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Reading through this thread Shyamalan must rest easy knowing that so many people will cape for the utter nonsense he tries to sell us in this movie. Which is not to say that I didn't enjoy it, because I thought it was enjoyable, but this is another movie that proves Shyamalan is his own worst enemy as all his good ideas are ruined by the fact he's a trash storyteller.
Let's just start with the opening.
In the end the movie is enjoyable enough because of the general things that Shyamalan gets right (and of course McAvoy continuing his tour-de-force role), but as I've said for the past decade or so, at some point the man really has to accept that he needs a proofreader or a co-writer.
Let's just start with the opening.
David is fighting crime with his son being the Alfred. His son presents him with a theory that the "triangle" that the Horde's victims are in, is only his hunting ground and not where he stays holed up. He suspects (without any evidence or proof or even the most basic of clues) he might be holed up in a factory area nearby. David decides to patrol that area and on his first (!) patrol of the area immediately finds the Horde and his next staple of victims. Which is not only embarassingly lazy and convenient writing, but also ignores that the son's theory was that this was his hideout and not his hunting ground (the aforementioned triangle), so the presence of victims
And that situation basically sums up the entire movie. Things happen to move the plot forward without any realistic rhythm to them. For instance, I don't mind the idea of the doc trying to convince the patients that they do not have super abilities, and I don't even mind the idea of them starting to doubt themselves, but why are David and The Horde doubting themselves after one (!) talking session when they've been out doing superhero/villain shyt for years? And what part of the doc's intentions requires all three of them to be in the same hospital? Matter of fact, other than a reason to put the three together in a room together, why would she do a group session when confrontation between these three is exactly what she's trying to avoid? And as already said, if she's trying to convince them their superpowers are in their head, then why are their rooms built with security measures against their "imagined" powers? And why do they ignore this during the first group talking session where they are immediately swayed into believing it's all in their heads?
The entire narrative could've worked if Shyamalan didn't insist so much on the plot immediately moving to wherever he wants it, because a simple montage of routine talking sessions where you see the time line of how long it takes to question themselves would have gotten the plot at the same point without making all the characters look like clueless morons in a single moment. And the fact that Shyamalan doesn't even grasp the most basic of storytelling methods to get the plot to where he wants is baffling.
Which brings us to Glass' scheme, which makes partial sense (the tower was a distraction so the secret organisation would do anything to stop David and the Horde from getting there, and the footage of that battle is what he would send into the world) but is undermined because so much happens by coincidental happenstance. Like a huge part of the climax relies on David's son, Casey and Glass' mom to be at the institution at that exact same time, and they just so happen to all arrive there, at the exact same time, at the exact moment of the trio's escape. It's so contrived and again there's no apologizing for such lazy storytelling, especially because Shyamalan has the fukking balls to try and make it appear like some kind of "faithful" encounter to wave all the coincidences away.
And that situation basically sums up the entire movie. Things happen to move the plot forward without any realistic rhythm to them. For instance, I don't mind the idea of the doc trying to convince the patients that they do not have super abilities, and I don't even mind the idea of them starting to doubt themselves, but why are David and The Horde doubting themselves after one (!) talking session when they've been out doing superhero/villain shyt for years? And what part of the doc's intentions requires all three of them to be in the same hospital? Matter of fact, other than a reason to put the three together in a room together, why would she do a group session when confrontation between these three is exactly what she's trying to avoid? And as already said, if she's trying to convince them their superpowers are in their head, then why are their rooms built with security measures against their "imagined" powers? And why do they ignore this during the first group talking session where they are immediately swayed into believing it's all in their heads?
The entire narrative could've worked if Shyamalan didn't insist so much on the plot immediately moving to wherever he wants it, because a simple montage of routine talking sessions where you see the time line of how long it takes to question themselves would have gotten the plot at the same point without making all the characters look like clueless morons in a single moment. And the fact that Shyamalan doesn't even grasp the most basic of storytelling methods to get the plot to where he wants is baffling.
Which brings us to Glass' scheme, which makes partial sense (the tower was a distraction so the secret organisation would do anything to stop David and the Horde from getting there, and the footage of that battle is what he would send into the world) but is undermined because so much happens by coincidental happenstance. Like a huge part of the climax relies on David's son, Casey and Glass' mom to be at the institution at that exact same time, and they just so happen to all arrive there, at the exact same time, at the exact moment of the trio's escape. It's so contrived and again there's no apologizing for such lazy storytelling, especially because Shyamalan has the fukking balls to try and make it appear like some kind of "faithful" encounter to wave all the coincidences away.
In the end the movie is enjoyable enough because of the general things that Shyamalan gets right (and of course McAvoy continuing his tour-de-force role), but as I've said for the past decade or so, at some point the man really has to accept that he needs a proofreader or a co-writer.
dangerranger
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Are you part of the Clover Leaf society too?
Because you are trying to hard to discredit everything that happened. Asking "what ifs".... nikka, this isn't YOUR STORY. This is M. Night's. You assume he came up with the plan despite his own mother telling Dr. Staples that her son stay plotting. Spoke of his genius. Part of the POINT of the film is also to make a bit ambiguous into questioning if they are super powerful beings... to which we eventually gotten an answer, but you going out your way still trying to discredit what happened. Mr. Glass is a wicked genius. You do not know how long he been doing it. 19 year in there, you have to make that logical conclusion that with him knowing the entire facility, all the security routines, time enough to swap certain equipment, and know how to hack a computer... that he's been planning this for a long time and NOT three days. It didn't matter if Dunn or The Horde was put in there or not. He was patiently waited for the opportunity and it came to him.... in fact, part of the film implied of something destined to happen same as the root to The Horde's origin... so story trying so much in discredit something that isn't your story... write YOUR OWN shyt if it's that serious.
Are you M. Night yourself? You caping so hard for this movie like you wrote it and know everything. I’ve provided counterpoints to everything you’ve said and in all this discussion you keep avoiding everything I said about Joseph and Casey and all the numerous bizarre coincidences to support your belief that Elijah is a mastermind. It just doesn’t hold up but you in ya feelings so I’ll let you be.
Also I do write on regular and am currently working on my own sh*t. And I would never write something with such blaring potholes. So idk who you think you’re insulting with your post.
There was some dialogue by Dr. Staple in the scenes with the Clover Organization in the restaurant where she alluded to her methods being to monitor, then dissuade and then go into more extreme stuff as a last resort. She even kinda explained that to Dunn while he was being murdered. Her plan was always to convince them they were normal human being who were insane. She never wanted them dead even though that option was always on the table.
I agree with you that the universe Shyamalan has set up is intriguing and I would be interested in seeing it expanded upon.
I also agree with you that dude needs to find a creative partner to shore up his weak spots because he always has properties with potential but it is a roll of the dice if he can bring it home successfully or not.
And he could have fixed those issues so easily too. Instead of doing the scene of Dunn beating up the white boys the movie could have opened with him and Joseph totally focused on the hunt for the Horde and already had narrowed their search down to the industrial area where The Horde was holding the cheerleaders.
Shyamalan could have nixed creating the arbitrary 3 days that Dr. Staple had to work with and instead had them in the mental institute for a couple months. A few musical montages would have taken 5 minutes and then splash "5 months Later" on the screen.
Shyamalan could have showed us that Glass was aware of The Clovers and had been biding his time waiting for them to bring Dunn and The Horde in to spring his own "master plan" that involved him using his access to Staples' computer to send emails to Casey, Mama Glass and Joseph to come to the facility at the same time on the day of the escape.
Shyamalan could have nixed creating the arbitrary 3 days that Dr. Staple had to work with and instead had them in the mental institute for a couple months. A few musical montages would have taken 5 minutes and then splash "5 months Later" on the screen.
Shyamalan could have showed us that Glass was aware of The Clovers and had been biding his time waiting for them to bring Dunn and The Horde in to spring his own "master plan" that involved him using his access to Staples' computer to send emails to Casey, Mama Glass and Joseph to come to the facility at the same time on the day of the escape.
Glass isn't a horrible movie but it is seriously flawed. But James McAvoy did act his ass off once again as Kevin/The Horde.
I can't do anymore M. Knight, after decade plus of bad movies, and even fooling myself into thinking The Visit from 2015 would redeem him. I loved Unbreakable when I saw it in 2000, I even saw it twice, but I have no faith, and would have to get near flawless reviews for me to go anywhere near one of his movies.
Signs
The Village
Lady In The Water
The Happening
Devil
The Visit
That is a horrible line up.
Signs
The Village
Lady In The Water
The Happening
Devil
The Visit
That is a horrible line up.
TheGodling
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Yeah, I honestly think you could give this screenplay to any proofreader/editor and end up fixing a good 75% of the story problems of the first read.
blankstairz
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Liked Unbreakable.
Thought the 1st 3/4's of split were okay until the whole Beast thing and seeing Bruce at the end. Would have been better as a stand alone examination of psychology than a superhero/villain movie.
The first 1/2 of Glass (no pun?) kinda meanders. It picks up with the 2nd half.
Loved Sam in this movie. Just great.
James McAvoy was more of the same. If you like his acting in split, you'll like his acting in glass.
Really liked the ending.
Thought the 1st 3/4's of split were okay until the whole Beast thing and seeing Bruce at the end. Would have been better as a stand alone examination of psychology than a superhero/villain movie.
The first 1/2 of Glass (no pun?) kinda meanders. It picks up with the 2nd half.
Loved Sam in this movie. Just great.
James McAvoy was more of the same. If you like his acting in split, you'll like his acting in glass.
Really liked the ending.
I think it was dumb to
kill of the 3 main characters in 1 movie but I'll see what M.Night does first
Nothing he’s not doing a sequel
