OFFICIAL Game of Thrones Season 7 Thread - Winds of Winter. Spoilers=BAN, Theories in [spoiler] tags

[KalKal]

Dragons are NOT comparable to nukes.

What makes nukes so devastating is the radiation. The radioactive fallout can stretch for thousands of square miles. They're more than just big bombs. Presumably, once Drogon left, that area he attacked was safe for any commoners or nurses to traverse. A farmer 100 miles away from that field wasn't feeling any effects from Drogon.

They have the offence of a Vietnam-era helicopter, but there's no way you could shoot down a helicopter with a crossbow/ballista.

You wouldn't even be able to shoot down a WWI biplane.

They're only "nukes" relative to the fact that they're in a world without gunpowder (and that they have apparently unlimited ammo until they need to eat).

 

[Chris Cool]

I don't look at this as a plot hole. I think the idea the writers are going for is that generally the dragons listen to Dany, but ultimately they're animals, and will do their own thing if severely wounded or feeding. This could come up again in a future episode, but everything has been consistent with this so far.

these nikkas better hope it don't.

 

[qnsfinest]

So let's say Cersai dies tomorrow natural cause or killed. Who's next in line to be king or queen? Would Qyburn take over, or will it be Tyrion? Can't be Jamie since he renounced all lands and titles. Now obviously if Dany overtakes and kills her, she'll be queen but I'm talking if Dany isn't in the picture.

 

[Chris Cool]

So let's say Cersai dies tomorrow natural cause or killed. Who's next in line to be king or queen? Would Qyburn take over, or will it be Tyrion? Can't be Jamie since he renounced all lands and titles. Now obviously if Dany overtakes and kills her, she'll be queen but I'm talking if Dany isn't in the picture.

there's still more lannisters.

 

[Food Mane]

So let's say Cersai dies tomorrow natural cause or killed. Who's next in line to be king or queen? Would Qyburn take over, or will it be Tyrion? Can't be Jamie since he renounced all lands and titles. Now obviously if Dany overtakes and kills her, she'll be queen but I'm talking if Dany isn't in the picture.

All this stuff is out the window now. Cersei didn't have any real claim to the throne. She took it. Jon doesn't have any claim to the north. They gave it to him.

 

[MidniteJay]

I think Jamie. His struggle with family vs. duty is one of the interesting things on the show. Killing her would be a perfect end to his arc.

Co-sign. Would be a nice wrap up for his road to redemption he probably gets bodied after that too.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

They have the offence of a Vietnam-era helicopter, but there's no way you could shoot down a helicopter with a crossbow/ballista.

You wouldn't even be able to shoot down a WWI biplane.

They're only "nukes" relative to the fact that they're in a world without gunpowder (and that they have apparently unlimited ammo until they need to eat).

Yea they're definitely game changers, but they were being compared to nukes in the sense of their being some moral compass needed to how to use them. I don't think they're comparable in that sense at all. She's at war, she has dragons, no one would fault her for using them on an army in the middle of an otherwise vacant field. If she was just sweeping across villages burning up homes and shyt that would be different.

I actually think an apache helicopter is an apt comparison. Regular crossbows ain't taking down a dragon, but I don't think a standard issue M16 is taking down an apache either. An anti aircraft missle would do the trick, tho, and that's analogous to what Bron was operating

 

[Food Mane]

Co-sign. Would be a nice wrap up for his road to redemption he probably gets bodied after that too.

I could honestly see something like a classical tragedy playing out.

1. He refuses to send his troops to certain death
2. Cersei flips out and comes up with a crazy plan that will kill a ton of innocent people
3. He puts a knife in her
4. He gets brought onside to the stark/targ alliance by Tyrion (or maybe even by dikkon via his brother Sam, but that's a longshot)
5. Someone on that side kills him for what he did to Bran (probably Arya)

He redeems himself but can't quite wash that original sin away

 

[hex]

She didn't put in no real work with the sword and we're basing her adeptness on some shyt she learned in season 1 and didn't really put into practice. Whole time in Braavos she didn't use it and then there she is flexing on one of the best swords in Westeros. People gotta keep in mind that Brienne wasn't gonna do nothing to her though

I don't get the complaints honestly. Cats make it seem like she killed Brienne.

They sparred, and she held her own. That's it. Keep in mind as skilled as Brienne is most of the people in Westeros haven't even seen waterdancing....so it's less to do with how skilled Arya is, and more to do with Brienne being completely inexperienced with that style of fighting.

And Arya could probably kill most people on the show because she's a little girl....well, a teen, but nobody takes her seriously. She could kill you in one strike and most people would let her on some "what are you gonna do....ok, swing your little bullshyt sword.....oh shyt I'm bleeding "

Fred.

 

[hex]

Cersei nuked the church where she was supposed to stand trial killed the queen, king, and the pope

but people want to talk about Dany burning soldiers in an open field? you can't tell me that #targset ain't the most hated on

Exactly. Most people seem to forget commoners don't fukk with the Lannisters, at all, and that was before Cersei turned into a terrorist.

Fred.

 

[Osmosis]

Even though he's not much of a fighter anymore, I'm hoping Jaime survives this plot and is involved with the Starks/Targ when the great war comes.

 

[daemonova]

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I could honestly see something like a classical tragedy playing out.

1. He refuses to send his troops to certain death
2. Cersei flips out and comes up with a crazy plan that will kill a ton of innocent people
3. He puts a knife in her
4. He gets brought onside to the stark/targ alliance by Tyrion (or maybe even by dikkon via his brother Sam, but that's a longshot)
5. Someone on that side kills him for what he did to Bran (probably Arya)

He redeems himself but can't quite wash that original sin away

i think he dies while killing cersei. those two are so intertwined. and so many seeds of doubt have been planted in him about cersei, both by himself and others, that i'm 100% rolling with her prophecy of her being killed by a brother and it's such poetic justice for it to be him.

but cersei could trip over a tree branch and die tomorrow and i'd be happy...:fuggu: her

 

[hex]

I could honestly see something like a classical tragedy playing out.

1. He refuses to send his troops to certain death
2. Cersei flips out and comes up with a crazy plan that will kill a ton of innocent people
3. He puts a knife in her
4. He gets brought onside to the stark/targ alliance by Tyrion (or maybe even by dikkon via his brother Sam, but that's a longshot)
5. Someone on that side kills him for what he did to Bran (probably Arya)

He redeems himself but can't quite wash that original sin away

From the "Carlito's Way" playbook.

Fred.

 

[daze23]

one thing about dragons is that they are inherently connected to magic. I think they mention it a few times on the show, but more so in the book. the dragons coming back has made magic stronger. although it's not clear where the chicken and the egg is in that situation. it might all be connected to the White Walkers also

there's also some talk about how intelligent the dragons are. they are magical creatures, so they might be on another level

basically thinking of them as pit bulls isn't very helpful