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Melisandre sacrificed Shireen and the harsh winter weather went away.
Serioulsly? It snowed like all of the last ep of last season and the beginning of this one then shyt cleared up. No one has mentioned 'oh nice weather we're having, thanks Melisandre'. Actually she was all down on herself the beginning of this season cause she felt like a fraud. But her magic worked?
 

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"Seen how they operate for 6 seasons?":mjlol:We've seen them less than 10 times in the entire series. :stopitslime:We know jack shyt about them aside from a handful of battle scenes, and the fact that they carry babies back to a ritualized area to convert them. We know they had some sort of pact with Craster, it's not a stretch that they will want another pact of some sort.

They aren't mindless zombies. HBO created an entire language just for them (the same dude who created the Dothraki language confirmed this). They want something, we don't know what it is, but it's possible it isn't a mustache twirling, "try to take over the world" pinky and the brain plot. Their motivations are one of the biggest mysteries of the series, Geroge has said this isn't evil monsters vs righteous humans, he tries to be more subversive than that.

I don't need everyone's plot to wrap up with the White Walkers. In fact, I hope the majority of the character arcs have nothing to do with them. Cersei's arc better not have shyt to do with White Walkers. Arya's arc better not have shyt to do with White Walkers. Let the fantasy shyt happen in one region and let the political shyt happen in another, and let the two parallel, compliment each other in a juxtaposition, like it has all series.

Caster's 'deal' was inhuman as hell

How many other people in the world are about to hand over their infant children for 'protection'?

They literally facilitated human experimentation and slavery.

That alone should spell out the fact that another 'pact' isn't happening within the context of the show.

What he said.

There is literally nothing to suggest they're interested in parlaying with humans. Every scene they're in, they're murdering the fukk out of everyone. They replenish their ranks by A. turning human babies into White Walkers, or B. killing humans and then raising the dead. That's it.

They don't have to be mindless zombies to not give a fukk about Westeros and it's politics. Nazis are among the worst villains this world has seen....they weren't mindless....does that mean they wanted to negotiate with people? No. They wanted to take over the world and kill everyone that opposed them. Sometimes it's that simple.

The very first scene of the entire series has White Walkers in it. When winter comes it can go on for decades. There is a giant magical Wall to keep them at bay. In the books....and this isn't a spoiler, because it's more a general statement....Melisandre point blank says the real war, that everyone will choose a side in, is between good and evil. Not man vs man, or House vs House.

It is the main focus of the series like it or not. If they take what is supposed to be a monumental battle between good and evil and marginalize it by keeping King's Landing or where ever in it's own bubble of political intrigue....this show is going to get silly real fast.

Fred.
 

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I didn't mention that pact to suggest that it's what they want overall, just that the fact that they had any deal at all proves that are capable of any form of diplomacy, whether it's malevolent or not.

Plenty of people have decently supported theories regarding what the White Walkers want, and most of them revolve around a pact that man must have broken with their bullshyt. I don't think those theories will be too far off, and I don't think a big good vs evil battle is the end game for what Geroge has in mind. He has said as much.
GRRM has said a LOT of shyt.

A huge amount of it is simply to troll his fans.
 

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Caster's 'deal' was inhuman as hell

How many other people in the world are about to hand over their infant children for 'protection'?

They literally facilitated human experimentation and slavery.

That alone should spell out the fact that another 'pact' isn't happening within the context of the show.
i bet by the end of this whole story we see it was better to become a white walker than whatever craster would have raised boys to be - or better than just dying in the snow north of the wall

the white walkers are as evil as the children were when the first men arrived. they're fighting a war of conquest, they're already political beings
 
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What he said.

There is literally nothing to suggest they're interested in parlaying with humans. Every scene they're in, they're murdering the fukk out of everyone. They replenish their ranks by A. turning human babies into White Walkers, or B. killing humans and then raising the dead. That's it.

They don't have to be mindless zombies to not give a fukk about Westeros and it's politics. Nazis are among the worst villains this world has seen....they weren't mindless....does that mean they wanted to negotiate with people? No. They wanted to take over the world and kill everyone that opposed them. Sometimes it's that simple.

The very first scene of the entire series has White Walkers in it. When winter comes it can go on for decades. There is a giant magical Wall to keep them at bay. In the books....and this isn't a spoiler, because it's more a general statement....Melisandre point blank says the real war, that everyone will choose a side in, is between good and evil. Not man vs man, or House vs House.

It is the main focus of the series like it or not. If they take what is supposed to be a monumental battle between good and evil and marginalize it by keeping King's Landing or where ever in it's own bubble of political intrigue....this show is going to get silly real fast.

Fred.

I'm pretty sure she says the same thing, if not something very similar in the show. I think it was when she convinced, or rather, commanded (:mjlol:) Stannis to head North.
 

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Serioulsly? It snowed like all of the last ep of last season and the beginning of this one then shyt cleared up. No one has mentioned 'oh nice weather we're having, thanks Melisandre'. Actually she was all down on herself the beginning of this season cause she felt like a fraud. But her magic worked?
The very next ep after she was sacrificed..
 

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What he said.

There is literally nothing to suggest they're interested in parlaying with humans. Every scene they're in, they're murdering the fukk out of everyone. They replenish their ranks by A. turning human babies into White Walkers, or B. killing humans and then raising the dead. That's it.

They don't have to be mindless zombies to not give a fukk about Westeros and it's politics. Nazis are among the worst villains this world has seen....they weren't mindless....does that mean they wanted to negotiate with people? No. They wanted to take over the world and kill everyone that opposed them. Sometimes it's that simple.

The very first scene of the entire series has White Walkers in it. When winter comes it can go on for decades. There is a giant magical Wall to keep them at bay. In the books....and this isn't a spoiler, because it's more a general statement....Melisandre point blank says the real war, that everyone will choose a side in, is between good and evil. Not man vs man, or House vs House.

It is the main focus of the series like it or not.

Fred.
Much as I admire Tolkien, and I do admire Tolkien — he’s been a huge influence on me, and his Lord of the Rings is the mountain that leans over every other fantasy written since and shaped all of modern fantasy — there are things about it, the whole concept of the Dark Lord, and good guys battling bad guys, Good versus Evil, while brilliantly handled in Tolkien, in the hands of many Tolkien successors, it has become kind of a cartoon. We don’t need any more Dark Lords, we don’t need any more, ‘Here are the good guys, they’re in white, there are the bad guys, they’re in black. And also, they’re really ugly, the bad guys.

If the series goes as you say, then it would be betraying what Martin has said about his own series.
 

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The very next ep after she was sacrificed..
Wow, OK I must have missed it. But seriously that's stupid, is this a planet revolving around a sun or what? WTF is this shyt?! So technically she could just keep winter at bay forever? I guess the White Walkers aren't coming?
 

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Littlefinger is a wrench in the system. He could end up, either purposely or inadvertently, being the being the reason the living can't mount a real defense. Or he could scheme his way into being the one who rises from the ashes once the living win the battle. Who knows? I just know I'm interested in seeing how this all plays out.

This is what I'm saying. I don't care how he interacts with that arc. But people are basically saying "nah, let that be separate from the White Walkers". It's puzzling as hell. How can the stakes be high when half the show doesn't even acknowledge the threat? It would kill the show for me. I'd finish watching but it would be one of the worst missteps they could make this late in the series.

Fred.
 

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i bet by the end of this whole story we see it was better to become a white walker than whatever craster would have raised boys to be - or better than just dying in the snow north of the wall

the white walkers are as evil as the children were when the first men arrived. they're fighting a war of conquest, they're already political beings
or maybe those boys could've just grown up in a situation that isn't a) undead invaders who've slaughtered 99% of people they've come across or b) inhuman scumbags who deal with group a to create incestuous harems

yal are trying to create something that isn't there instead of just taking what the story has obviously given you
 

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Much as I admire Tolkien, and I do admire Tolkien — he’s been a huge influence on me, and his Lord of the Rings is the mountain that leans over every other fantasy written since and shaped all of modern fantasy — there are things about it, the whole concept of the Dark Lord, and good guys battling bad guys, Good versus Evil, while brilliantly handled in Tolkien, in the hands of many Tolkien successors, it has become kind of a cartoon. We don’t need any more Dark Lords, we don’t need any more, ‘Here are the good guys, they’re in white, there are the bad guys, they’re in black. And also, they’re really ugly, the bad guys.

If the series goes as you say, then it would be betraying what Martin has said about his own series.

He's already had his own characters say the exact opposite, in the books and the TV series.

And this show isn't GRR Martin's any more. He hasn't actively had a hand in it for a while, so his word doesn't mean much at this point. They've changed all kinds of things he doesn't agree with. It's possible he turns the White Walkers into rational creatures that talk through their problems in the novels....or not. It would translate a hell of a lot better into written word than 15 episodes at the ass end of a TV series, anyway.

Fred.
 

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Wow, OK I must have missed it. But seriously that's stupid, is this a planet revolving around a sun or what? WTF is this shyt?! So technically she could just keep winter at bay forever? I guess the White Walkers aren't coming?
George's answer to this question is "it's magic."

The inconsistent seasons in the series sort of prevents this world from being a planet that revolves around a sun, though some academics have written papers on how it could be consistent with science. George denies all of that though.
 

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Much as I admire Tolkien, and I do admire Tolkien — he’s been a huge influence on me, and his Lord of the Rings is the mountain that leans over every other fantasy written since and shaped all of modern fantasy — there are things about it, the whole concept of the Dark Lord, and good guys battling bad guys, Good versus Evil, while brilliantly handled in Tolkien, in the hands of many Tolkien successors, it has become kind of a cartoon. We don’t need any more Dark Lords, we don’t need any more, ‘Here are the good guys, they’re in white, there are the bad guys, they’re in black. And also, they’re really ugly, the bad guys.

If the series goes as you say, then it would be betraying what Martin has said about his own series.
And that's why GRRM centers a great deal around houses and their internal politics while Tolkien treats that as secondary. That quote in particular is centered around Jamie Lannister, King Slayer, and how a certain sequence in the books is told from his perspective in order to provide a much more detailed view on how the 'oath breaker' is more honest than the vast majority of the cast.

White Walkers are still exactly what they are - the big difference, if you'd look, is the origins. The evil in Tolkein's universe was always evil more or less. The White Walkers were created for a good purpose.
 
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