Official 'Game Of Thrones' Season 2 Discussion Thread *NO BOOK SPOILERS*
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Bronn. Too clever, too sneaky and underhanded. Dude will do whatever it takes, and he's quicker.
these cats CANNOT rap or dance....but I applaud the attempt and the knowledge of the Lore.
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Yeh, I'm gonna go with Bronn as well. Physically I'd say they're pretty even. Sandor has size and strength, Bronn has speed and skill. The thing is Sandor doesn't use his head in fights. He just hacks away at his opponents like an angry butcher. Generally that works well against random peons but it's death against a fighter like Bronn, who is not only good enough to hold him off but is also cold and calculated like a snake. See how he rope-a-doped the knight in season 1.Bronn. Too clever, too sneaky and underhanded. Dude will do whatever it takes, and he's quicker.
Damn good fight though. Whoever wins, wins by the length of a bee's dikk.
Hard to say. You guys are hyping up Bronn while ignoring that Clegane is one of the best fighters in Westeros. I actually have to use a spoiler here for some evidence:
He defeated Lord Beric, who was faster, had the shock factor of being undead, and a flaming sword that tapped into the hound's greatest fear.
He also has a knight's training in combat, which Bronn doesn't have.
They both are. To be honest I've been involved in this debate heavily on other forums. I can accept people thinking Sandor would win. It's reasonable.
What pisses me off is when people say one or the other would win by a large margin. These are two of the best fighters in the series. Whoever wins you can be damn sure he wins by the skin of his nuts.
He defeated Lord Beric, who was faster, had the shock factor of being undead, and a flaming sword that tapped into the hound's greatest fear.
Well he sort of did, and he sort of didn't. Beric Dondarrion's sword broke right at the end. If not he would have had the Hound.
Bronn is a natural though, and logically he would have seen a lot more action that Sandor because he was a mercenary. I don't think Sandor saw much action or fought in any battles or wars besides the Blackwater. He was Joffrey's bodyguard and Cersei's before that. That job was mostly laying on his ass, as I don't think many people were attacking the queen or crown prince.
Sandor had a knight's training but fighting in the practice yard has its limits, and doesn't compare to real combat.
I know said I would cease posting in this thread but I just wanted to put in my piece on the matter.
Concerning the bold, it seems you forgot the fight he had with his older brother, Mountain last season during the tourney.
Mountain seems to fight like a berserker but Sandor is able to go toe-to-toe with him blocking and deflecting the Mountain's strikes using finesse. He even evades a slice that could have taken his head off when Robert yells for them to stop.
Yeah I remember that. There was a bit more to that scene that meets the eye. It was basically the only time he showed restraint in a fight and the reason is a bit more evident in the books.
Sandor's whole deal is about exposing the hypocrisy behind the knight system and chivalry. He knows that knights are killers just like everyone else so why are there these romantic notions about them. How I understood that scene is that Sandor restraining himself is basically his way of saying "look you morons, this barbarian is one of the 'noble' knights you talk about so much". He was throwing it in everybody's face how the supposedly 'noble' knight acted like a savage while the scarred monster showed restraint.
At least that's my interpretation...
Sandor's whole deal is about exposing the hypocrisy behind the knight system and chivalry. He knows that knights are killers just like everyone else so why are there these romantic notions about them. How I understood that scene is that Sandor restraining himself is basically his way of saying "look you morons, this barbarian is one of the 'noble' knights you talk about so much". He was throwing it in everybody's face how the supposedly 'noble' knight acted like a savage while the scarred monster showed restraint.
At least that's my interpretation...
Fair enough, but even a stalemate in that instance is a serious accomplishment, especially when you consider that he was terrified of fire, hungover, slower (as he would be against Bronn,) and facing the shock of an undead man with a magic sword, which is something he's never seen before.
Sandor may have fought fewer battles (I'm not actually sure about this,) but we don't know Bronn's past, either. Clearly he's a skilled fighter, and so presumably has a good deal of experience, but also have no reason to assume any vast gulf between his experience and Sandor's. I also think you're discounting what knight's training can do. Another spoiler section as evidence:
If you've read book 5 (and if you haven't, I'll try and keep it free of specifics,) recall Barristan's discussion of the differences between Mereen's feared pit fighters and a knight. Though the pit fighters fight for their lives every time there is a game, and thus have much more experience and are unencumbered by honor or fidelity to any particular technique, he still rates them much lower than knights specifically because of their lack of training, and furthermore, he proves the distinction later on. In other words, knights' training counts for a great deal, even if it isn't in real-life combat situations.
It also seems to me like since Sandor detests knighthood, he wouldn't fight like a knight (with the honor-based restrictions and regulations of combat,) so he possesses all the skills of a knight, but doesn't limit himself to them.
Tough call. Bronn doesn't fight in Armor so I'd give the edge to the Hound, dude is young and ferocious. Ser Vardis Egan was an oldtimer.
You're giving too much credit to the knightly training. A lot of it is stance, horseback riding and lancing. Swordplay is just part of it.
Barristan is not a credible source. He's a knight through and through and is biased towards his own. The Pit fighter didn't know how to fight a man in armor, that was his problem. Bronn doesn't have that problem.
Maybe I missed it, but does the show ever explain how some wildlings got south of the wall?? Book brehs, if its a spoiler, then nevermind
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I'd have to say the Hound would win by a small margin.
When Tyrion asks Bronn to fight for him against the Mountain, Bronn basically says hell no. To me that indicates he doesn't think he could win. Going off the evidence we have, the Cleganes are pretty even as fighters so it might be that the Hound would win. As far as differences from the book and the show, I'd still say Bron would lose either way.
