OFFICIAL Game of Holmes Season 8 Thread - A Dream of Flat Tops 4/14/19

[Osmosis]

I miss these days. Easily one of the best scenes with one of the best actors and character on the show.

Two of the best characters and actors on the show. NCW killed it as Jaime.

 

[Osmosis]

The show isn’t what it once was but I’m still excited for the next two episodes. We’re finally seeing the fate of these characters after nearly a decade.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Thats kind of bullshyt though.


When the whole process went down, HBO, the showrunners, and GRRM ALL KNEW that he was nowhere close to finishing the series and assuming he didn’t say some shyt like “the series will be finished in two years, TRUST me” then everybody involved should have went into this endeavor with the understanding that this could happen.

Which is why GRRM apparently shared with D&D the logistics of the major story beats BEFORE they got started. To help them with the eventuality of the show surpassing the books. What right would D&D or ANYBODY at HBO have to beef with GRRM about him not finishing a series that had ALREADY gained a reputation for long hiatuses between books.

I’d tell D&D to suck my dikk if they EVER tried coming at me with any bullshyt about any of the show’s flaws being MY fault if I was GRRM. Martin already told them how the story ends, already told them the amount of seasons they’d need to tell the story properly, and they STILL decided to forge ahead with a rushed and half assed ending. Thats THEIR fault not GRRM’s

Actually Martin didn't share the full story with them until 2014. The show started in 2011. Before the show started, Martin generally gave him nods on which characters he felt needed to be included, but he didn't give them specific details on the future until 2014.

Martin gave them three specific "shock" moments from the show. One was "hold the door." Another was the sacrifice of Shireen, which they changed apparently. Some fans got mad they confirmed it was a spoiler from the future books, and the writers ended up basically saying "it's done differently in the books, don't worry." The third major twist is supposed to happen this season, at the end.

The shows and books are so different now I'm not worried about the books being spoiled. Certainly the major deaths will be spoiled, but how we get there is another story. They're also clearly mixing characters together or replacing characters to tell altered stories. For instance Sansa this season is playing a roll that is played by Arianne Martell in the books. That character isn't in the show obviously, but her story (jealousy over Dany, leading to confrontation) is clearly coming from that person. Martin released samples of two Arianne chapters for the upcoming book a few years ago and it lines up perfectly with what the show is doing to Sansa this season.

 

[Mr Hate Coffee]

I’m one of the hypebeast people who only watched this cuz everyone said it’s fire and what’s funny is fans like me are the ones to blame for this not being as fire as it should. Season 8 was written for tweets and memes my brehs.

Yeah I was just thinking today that GoT’s popularity did them in. A lot of casuals thinking this shyt good but diehards lookin at this shyt like

No diss to you btw. At least you realize it.

 

[Pimp]

Damn this woman is so fine

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

They're also clearly mixing characters together or replacing characters to tell altered stories. For instance Sansa this season is playing a roll that is played by Arianne Martell in the books. That character isn't in the show obviously, but her story (jealousy over Dany, leading to confrontation) is clearly coming from that person. Martin released samples of two Arianne chapters for the upcoming book a few years ago and it lines up perfectly with what the show is doing to Sansa this season.

True, she was Jeyne Poole in season 6. The only Sansa-thing I can see happening in the books is her being Littlefinger's downfall.

 

[goatmane]

 

[gogogubari]

Gonna reread the books one more time.

What happened to us speculating about the next episode? I need some theories to look into.

 

[Big Dick]

Damn this woman is so fine

One of the finest actresses in Hollywood period. My girl would be in the bushes so fast if I had even half a chance of baggin her.

 

[Big Dick]

I didn't read it until your post. Yes, very good and everything was valid.

The funny thing is people (validly) saying how bad D&D are as writers are ignoring the fact that GRRM has written himself into a mess right now.

Everything he has done has been logical to his story, but the plot has taken a dump.

D&D tried to correct this and they completely overcompensated because they are tired of doing the show.

I empathize with them because doing another 3 seasons of this in order to flesh it all out properly is daunting. But I also say fukk them because that was their job when they were given the rights.

Had they properly fleshed it out, a large chunk of people would have called it boring and meandering (except for the hardcore fanbase). But so what. This should have been a legacy defining show, they should have done whatever is necessary.

In the end they did define their legacy....as hacks.

That being said, the backlash has blown up to asinine levels. So much insufferable back patting and echo chamber shouting matches. This is literally the only book series I am invested in at the moment and I have invested a lot of my time and energy into it but I learned a long time ago to seperate it from the show. I can't be outraged. It isn't that serious

Agree wholeheartedly with this.

I think a lot of people would've shown their frustrations with 9 season with 10 episodes each because "we still haven't got *insert plot point* after __ years!" but it wouldn't have been nearly as bad as the amount of people rightfully calling D&D out on their bullshyt right now.

Like, even GOAT shows (to me at least) like Mad Men and The Americans got panned by critics for having "nothing happened" seasons near the end of their run. But in the end most let it pass because it was, at the very least, interesting character driven seasons, to the point that when the shows had their finale, their conclussion was "I could watch 10 seasons of these characters just doing stuff", which was basically the exact opposite of their initial criticism

My point being: no one was ever going to be fully happy with how the show got to the end. Specially something like Game of Thrones were a lot of fans like it because of vastly different reasons and regardless of how they did it, they were gonna alienate al least one portion of them because they didn't cater their specific wants of what the show was to them.

BUT, D&D were so tired of the show they just rushed forward for no other reason that they just wanted to wrap it up. And with that, they pissed almost everybody off I also truly believe their behind the episode explanations have made things MUCH worse because we get to see how they just don't give a fukk anymore.


Fully agree on the backlash getting to retarded levels. That's just the discourse nowadays. shyt gotta be the greatest thing ever or the biggest piece of shyt in existence

Repped.

 

[QuintessentialMan]

Despite it all im still semi hyped for episode 5.
Just tempering expectations a bit though, bracing myself a little for a letdown.
Its really the last chance for redemption here. I need something profound to happen, not just spectacle. Please make it all mean something guys.

 

[Stop_It_5]

 

[Duke_Droese]

What makes the reaction to this season more understandable is when you think how much people were anticipating it, and how much they mentally invested into it.

 

[Piff Perkins]

I didn't read it until your post. Yes, very good and everything was valid.

The funny thing is people (validly) saying how bad D&D are as writers are ignoring the fact that GRRM has written himself into a mess right now.

Everything he has done has been logical to his story, but the plot has taken a dump.

D&D tried to correct this and they completely overcompensated because they are tired of doing the show.

I empathize with them because doing another 3 seasons of this in order to flesh it all out properly is daunting. But I also say fukk them because that was their job when they were given the rights.

Had they properly fleshed it out, a large chunk of people would have called it boring and meandering (except for the hardcore fanbase). But so what. This should have been a legacy defining show, they should have done whatever is necessary.

In the end they did define their legacy....as hacks.

That being said, the backlash has blown up to asinine levels. So much insufferable back patting and echo chamber shouting matches. This is literally the only book series I am invested in at the moment and I have invested a lot of my time and energy into it but I learned a long time ago to seperate it from the show. I can't be outraged. It isn't that serious

How has Martin written himself into a corner? He certain complicated things for himself but his endgame still seems to be in place...and it's far more interesting than the one the show has presented.

In terms of more seasons...no, we didn't need 2 seasons of Dany dealing with Meerenese politics. I agree. But that's an extreme position that no one outside of GRRM takes. The more logical one is that the show should have had two more 10 episode seasons. S7 should have been 10 episodes, and S8 should have been 10 episodes. That would have given the show time to do multiple things that it has rushed, namely:

-Allow Jon and Dany's relationship to flourish naturally

-Give Dany AND Jon time to actually display their fitness for rule (or lack thereof) in the north. This way Varys deciding to turn his back on Dany wouldn't seem so abrupt

-Actually show what's going on in King's Landing beyond abrupt war preparation scenes. There has been almost no screen time for Cersei this season. We haven't seen a small council meeting or debate about how to deal with Dany or the undead.

-Give the Night King more time to actually do shyt. This season he basically showed up once and died. Having more scenes with Beric and Edd making their way to Winterfell and perhaps learning more about the white walkers would have been interesting

-Give Sansa time to actually form an opinion on Dany instead of the bullshyt going on now

-Allow time for Jon to meet other Westerosi lords. Apparently the army just marched from Winterfell to KL without running across anybody. How does that make sense? Jon impressing lords during his march to war would further play into sowing doubts in Dany, offering an alternative ruler, and giving her more reason to be upset/concerned with him

 

[The axe murderer]