OFFICIAL Game of Holmes Season 8 Thread - A Dream of Flat Tops 4/14/19

[Th3G3ntleman]

@ niccas stanning Dayne like he isn't in the dirt

 

[MidniteJay]

Jon, Sansa, and Arya are the last ones who truly embody the Stark name and values.

Bran gives no fukks. He’s the three eyed raven now.

I agree with Jon and Arya but Sansa more Tully than Stark. I know she was a kid but some of her decisions are why the Starks were assed out for a long time.

 

[Ziggiy]

I agree with Jon and Arya but Sansa more Tully than Stark. I know she was a kid but some of her decisions are why the Starks were assed out for a long time.

Agreed.

Im no Sansa apologist. But at THIS juncture i feel she’s embraced being a Stark and all that comes with

 

[detroitwalt]

I'm of the belief that Jamie was holding back when fighting Ned. He was smart enough to know that killing Ned would have been a death sentence for him with Robert still sitting the throne. Ned on the other hand, just saw Jamie put his man eyeball on a shish-kebab so of course he was going all out.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

I'm of the belief that Jamie was holding back when fighting Ned. He was smart enough to know that killing Ned would have been a death sentence for him with Robert still sitting the throne. Ned on the other hand, just saw Jamie put his man eyeball on a shish-kebab so of course he was going all out.

LMAO, the excuses know no bounds for this fagget.

If he didn't want to kill Ned, he wouldn't have fukked his own man up for allowing him to end the fight without Ned's death. Prime Ned was fighting for his life and his sister's life against Dayne and looked like the mediocre fighter he was. Flabby Ned fighting for his life against Jamie looked like his equal. No way to spin this.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

Didn't he end the siege at Riverrun? Didn't he capture Highgarden and all its gold and wheat, and end House Tyrell for all time? Didn't he fool Tyrion and the Unsulled army into capturing an empty Casterly Rock and and having to walk home empty handed? Could the Sword of the Morning face a Twice Wielded Dotharki Scourge? Put that in your white book.

I mean most of that was due to his VASTLY underrated military mind.

But even in years before the events of the show...Jamie was talking about slicing nikkas in half as a 14 year old. That's canon and it COUNTS...even if you saw it on screen or not.

 

[CROM]

Books: (of people show watchers would have SOME context for)
Arthur Dayne
Prime Jamie
Loras Tyrell's Older Brother, Garlan
Ser Barristan
The Red Viper
The Cleganes
Young Robert


Show:
Arthur Dayne
Two-Handed Jamie
Grey Worm
Syrio
The Cleganes


I'm sure I'm forgetting some folks

I'd go (show-wise):

1. Ser Barristan Selmy (prime)
2. Ser Arthur Dayne (prime)
3. Prince Oberyn Martell
4. Ser Jamie Lannister (before losing hand)
5. Sandor Clegane
6. Gregor Clegane
7. Khal Drogo
8. King Rober Baratheon (prime)
9. Syrio Forel
10. Brienne of Tarth

Book-wise....I'd remove Syrio and Brienne, and add Daemon Blackfyre and Aemon the Dragonknight.

 

[BodieBroadus]

 

[Reece]

LMAO, the excuses know no bounds for this fagget.

If he didn't want to kill Ned, he wouldn't have fukked his own man up for allowing him to end the fight without Ned's death. Prime Ned was fighting for his life and his sister's life against Dayne and looked like the mediocre fighter he was. Flabby Ned fighting for his life against Jamie looked like his equal. No way to spin this.

Wouldn't go that far. I'll say Ned looked much better matched with Jaime (in the show only) than he did against Dayne. Against Dayne he looked completely outmatched. Like a scrub fighting Floyd Mayweather. When Ned was fighting Jaime, Jaime looked better but, you got the sense that if he tried to toy around with Ned, he could make a mistake and get killed by a lucky blow.

 

[Reece]

@ niccas stanning Dayne like he isn't in the dirt

He got stabbed through the back of his throat. They did him dirty

 

[Sinnerman]

Book Wise

Ser Arthur Dayne
Ser Barristan
Jaime Lannister
Prime Robert

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

In the books Dayne was said to be the Jordan of fighters. And the show did a real good job of capturing that. The way he moved...the skill and methodology he showed to take down everyone just showed he was on another level We’ve seen Jaime, Brienne and the Hound fight and Dayne still looked like an Olympian in comparison. Then the sword he used is basically the GOAT weapon. Jaime was said to be like a young Kobe. A prodigy. He was 15 destroying grown men. Now his skills may have atrophied as the standard of fighters in the Kingsguard worsened over time and there were little battles and fights for him to harden his skill set so I don’t think Jaime grew as good as he had the potential to be. Ultimately he was a step or two behind Dayne. I could see him doing something dirty to beat him though. Barristan as an old man could take out 98% of fighters. Barristan in his prime is better than every fighter not named Dayne and even then on the right day if Barristan was young he would’ve gave Dayne a serious run for his money. Barristan takes Jaime. The Hound and Gregor are just brawn. Stronger and bigger than everyone. Against someone that’s strong enough to counter their strength, skilled enough to not cower against their brutality and smart enough to strategize (Oberon for example) and take advantage of the right opening, they’d fall. Robert was pure rage. Strong as the Cleganes, about the same size give or take a few inches but still fast enough to keep up with the Daynes, Jaimes and the Barristans. He wasn’t as skilled as they were and would lose most of the time vs fighters at that skill level but wielding that big ass axe he only needed to be right once I’d put Robert above the Cleganes though due to him having better speed and quickness while having similar strength. Plus the margin of error you have having to find the weak points in his armor with your sword vs him just needing to land one hit to your jaw or your chest to fukk your life all the way up. Only the GOAT swordsmen could neutralize that imo. I’d put Oberon right underneath Jaime and Robert but above the Cleganes. He should’ve won the fight. He just got stupid. Brienne is basically Robert in terms of size and strength if you want to imagine how Robert was supposed to be. Only difference is she is a great swordsman whereas Robert used an axe but as tall/fast/strong/ferocious as she is, that’s what Robert was written to be like Imagine Brienne with an axe Brienne Id put above the Cleganes as she has enough power and strength to counter them while being a smarter and more deliberate fighter. But she don’t past the eye test to be at the GOAT level. She’d still murk basically everyone except five people in the whole ASOIAF universe so But to be perfectly honest I’m basing that on the show. In the books she didn’t fight the Hound and while Jaime does say she’s the real deal, Jaime still held her off despite being starved for days. They pumped her up a bit on screen.

The Mountain usually wins the fight before it starts just based on his intimidating size.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Could the Sword of the Morning face a Twice Wielded Dotharki Scourge

Uh yeah

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

I mean most of that was due to his VASTLY underrated military mind.

But even in years before the events of the show...Jamie was talking about slicing nikkas in half as a 14 year old. That's canon and it COUNTS...even if you saw it on screen or not.

The discussion was on THE SHOW....who was the best fighter based on WHAT WAS SHOWN.

The book is a whole nother discussion..

 

[Ziggiy]

I'd go (show-wise):

1. Ser Barristan Selmy (prime)
2. Ser Arthur Dayne (prime)
3. Prince Oberyn Martell
4. Ser Jamie Lannister (before losing hand)
5. Sandor Clegane
6. Gregor Clegane
7. Khal Drogo
8. King Rober Baratheon (prime)
9. Syrio Forel
10. Brienne of Tarth

Book-wise....I'd remove Syrio and Brienne, and add Daemon Blackfyre and Aemon the Dragonknight.

I’d put Jon in Kal Drogo’s spot but I agree with everything else