Official "Dark Side Of The Ring" Discussion Thread

[CBoz]

Dude, I hate Vince as much as anyone on this board, if not more, but I'm not going to lie about the guy if I can help it. Reports from the period don't put him there, what we have of the 2004 lawsuit documents don't put him there and only refers to vague "management officials of WWE" that were present (see here: ), and Meltzer's report in the May 13, 2002 Observer explicitly stated that Gerald Brisco, Arn Anderson, and Michael Hayes were running things on the flight, not Vince. The only non-DSOTR source that puts him there, I believe, is JR's second book (which I haven't read in a while, so I'm not even sure about that).

Vince HAS apparently been on flights similar to the Plane Ride from Hell before, so he clearly doesn't care that much about shyt like this going down (and as I said in my other post, other incidents may have been conflated with this one. I'd love to see if someone has the full suit to see if Vince gets mentioned in it, though), and he needs to take responsibility for letting Flair and Brock slide either way, but let's address what actually happened to the best of our ability here.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the doc itself was unclear about this if I were to go back and watch it.

Watch WWE Dark Side Of The Ring Season 3 Episode 8 The Plane Ride From hell | Watch Wrestling

7 mins in and 32 mins in they mention Vince being there. So who really knows who is telling the truth.

Also at them having to use all the aliases for the wrestlers.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Well Ric Flair bout to drop dime so we’ll know in a few


Or at worst we either bout to see Charlotte get jobbed the fukk out or become the greatest most dominant champ in history…… one extreme or another with no middle ground

 

[TrueEpic08]

Watch WWE Dark Side Of The Ring Season 3 Episode 8 The Plane Ride From hell | Watch Wrestling

7 mins in and 32 mins in they mention Vince being there. So who really knows who is telling the truth.

Also at them having to use all the aliases for the wrestlers.

Like I said in my edit, the 7-8 minute reference refers to the flight to Europe, and the later reference seems to just say that Vince and JR met to discuss repercussions for wrestlers, not that he was necessarily on the flight.

Meltz did say that, when he checked some of his sources, there were people that said he was there and people that said he wasn't, and he found the latter to be more reliable (one even told him that Vince was there, then changed his story later. Take that for what you will). All I'm saying is that, while it looks to be a big he said/she said, the most reliable reports from the period don't seem to put him there.

Vince still shouldn't have let Flair and Brock get off scot free regardless, and I don't think he would've been a big disciplinarian even if he was there.

 

[CBoz]

Like I said in my edit, the 7-8 minute reference refers to the flight to Europe, and the later reference seems to just say that Vince and JR met to discuss repercussions for wrestlers, not that he was necessarily on the flight.

Meltz did say that, when he checked some of his sources, there were people that said he was there and people that said he wasn't, and he found the latter to be more reliable (one even told him that Vince was there, then changed his story later. Take that for what you will). All I'm saying is that, while it looks to be a big he said/she said, the most reliable reports from the period don't seem to put him there.

Not sure how much you watched but it's 32 mins and beyond. JR mentions Vince sending him from the VIP area to the part of the plane where the guys were to "handle it." They recreate it for the show.

Whether DSOTR is telling the truth is beyond me.

 

[PlayerNinety_Nine]

There aren't words to describe how utterly fukking stupid Dreamer is. No-one mentioned him in their story in the show, but this carny absolutely had to get a payday even if it meant making himself fukking radioactive. He really just self immolated his own career for the clout of saying 'I was there'.

As for Flair, we've known his role in this for years. He's a piece of shyt - always has been.

From what I've seen, Coachman honestly needs to shut the fukk up if he wasn't directly involved. He's dangerously close to pulling a Dreamer, and he's not just a wrestling guy either - he can actually work for legitimate companies, so shyt could get that much worse for him.

 

[TOAD99]

Dreamer is such a dumb piece of shyt too because his comments were completely unnecessary

like he wasn’t even involved and somehow he’s killed his own career (at least for now)

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I do find it funny and crazy how these dudes or this show is 3 seasons in and 24 eps deep and THIS is the episode or moment niccas now wanna question their credibility



Come on Coli

 

[TrueEpic08]

Not sure how much you watched but it's 32 mins and beyond. JR mentions Vince sending him from the VIP area to the part of the plane where the guys were to "handle it." They recreate it for the show.

Whether DSOTR is telling the truth is beyond me.

Just got to that part and, yeah, Chioda and JR put him there. Like I said, big he said/she said given the past reports.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

ayo RVD straight up confirmed some of these wrestlers be straight up raping chicks

Not surprised one bit. Pro wrestling business has always been shady behind the scenes.

 

[CBoz]

Not surprised one bit. Pro wrestling business has always been shady behind the scenes.

That's big entertainment in a nut shell. Movies, music, sports, pseudo sports. It's all guilty.

 

[patscorpio]

the mark world meets the carny world lol..im just laughing at the outrage being shown for cats who are clearly grizzled carnies..what the fukk do you expect them to say? nikkas lost grip with reality a long time ago..tommy dreamer is a complete idiot..motherfukker no one asked you to say all that shyt..you wasnt even involved

pro wrestling doesn't attract the best ppl..thats day one shyt...vince, no matter how corporate and hollywood he wants to be, is the biggest carny of them all and always wanted to be one of the "boys"..im sure there are things vince has done on these flights that the guys witnessed that they will take to their graves

 

[Playaz Eyez]

I hear you
I respect that

He was there though….. outside of this show it’s been reported he was trying there

It’s been reported for ages that he was on the plane. I have to assume Coachman is mixing up flights ?

 

[Slic Ric]

So much fukkery on this one

1) Flair is a POS, but the worst thing is his actions have been condoned & oddly praised for about 4 decades now
2) Dreamer is a POS, and the funniest thing he like a breh said in here the "clout/ yea I was there" aspected ruined his career, idiot
3) Choida the "kick out at 2" story for Hall
4) if Vince was ON that plane, its his fault

 

[TrueEpic08]

I hear you
I respect that

He was there though….. outside of this show it’s been reported he was trying there

You have any of those other sources on hand? The reports from 02 and the suit from 04 are what they are, but I highly doubt JR would willingly lie about Vince being there at this stage in his life and he puts him there in his book and here with Chioda backing his claim.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

That's big entertainment in a nut shell. Movies, music, sports, pseudo sports. It's all guilty.

Pro Wrestling has been filled to the brim with degenerates up till recently. The other industries have somewhat cleaned up many decades ago