Official Black Panther MCU Thread

[hex]

@Ziggiy @NobodyReally @hex @The Dankster @Primetime This dude LeBron really tearing down the movie.

I seen this. I can't take nobody seriously talking about "Ross is the hero of the movie" and using terms like neo-liberalism or whatever the fukk.

Fred.

 

[Tasha And]

These are individual isolated instances though, and TWS was literally under Soviet mind control when he did that. For the most part all the other MCU movies involve either outside alien threats, or individual bad guys, NONE are about an entire country or tribe of white people killing each other over power and resources. This is a Marvel/Disney finesse move perpetuating an age old false and negative white supremacist view of black people.

The first Captain America is about World War 2 my dude

 

[Emoryal]

Just re-watched and little white kids were talking and complained throughout the whole movie

 

[Lifer11]

The first Captain America is about World War 2 my dude

U do know that World War 2 was fought between different countries right? Captain America helps stop the Nazis, making him and America the clear cut hero. And it takes place during World War 2, the climax of the movie isn't a bunch of white people from the same country ruthlessly killing each other. There's a clear cut bad guy, which are the most universally accepted bad guys in modern history, the Nazis, and a clear cut good guy, Captain America and America as a whole. Completely different. That movie puts forth the idea that America is and has been a force for good. Black Panther is almost all about Wakandans killing each other over power and vibranium.

 

[Ironman]

Just seen it for the 4th time Yo what was that track at the end when they went to the U.S. with the kids playing ball? Track was fire

Also, did anyone elses theatre not play Kendricks track when they were chasing Klaue after the casino? Mine didn't play it

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Yea but none of the other MCU movies are centered around fellow countrymen/tribesmen violently killing each other in a civil war over power and resources (the throne and vibranium).

The climax of this movie is two black men fighting to the death over the throne and control of vibranium, which divides Wakanda against itself leading to them violently killing each other.

I just think it's a bad look that Disney/Marvel went with that storyline for the first black superhero in the MCU. I don't even understand why people are essentially defending Marvel in this instance, I didn't say the movie is bad. IMO more people should be upset that the movie is perpetuating false negative stereotypes about Africa(ns) and blacks in general. A common criticism levied by racist whites is that blacks around the world, Africans and African countries fail to prosper because they are too busy fighting amongst and killing themselves to build prosperous and successful countries and communities, and this movie puts forth that exact idea.

According to this movie, Wakanda and its people don't help the world because the Wakandan rulers and people are too selfish, or only concerned with their own people, to share their technology and wealth with the rest of the world (and don't run the world because they don't believe it's their responsibility to police the world), even while blacks around the world have been enslaved, tortured, murdered, raped and oppressed. Then when one of their own attempted to steal vibranium to help blacks in America, he was killed by T'Chaka. Then when his son grows up he decides to violently overthrow the entire country, resulting in him nearly killing T'Challa, a Wakandan civil war popping off resulting in countless deaths and ultimately his own death at the hands of T'Challa, his cousin and fellow Wakandan. So family and fellow countrymen murdered each other for power and resources. There are no virtuous deeds done in the entire film until the very end when T'Challa, influenced by Killmonger's ideology, goes back to begin helping Oakland. Even in Captain America:Civil War, T'Challa is motivated by revenge while the rest are prototypical superheroes.

Marvel/Disney is pulling a serious finesse move here by marketing this as a black power film while continuing to put forth the subliminal messaging that black people are aggressive and self-destructive.

Yes you're right, the other MCU movies centered around fellow white people who where family, colleagues, friends or etc violently kill each other over power, resources and world domination.

The climax of one MCU is 2 family members, a father and son, fighting to death over power and control of the galaxy

I think false stereotypes people have against black people is we are dumb, lazy, savages, poor, and need handouts or the assistance of others...... this movie not only didnt reinforce any of that it went completely the opposite directions.

I really dont think Marvel/Disney pulled any finesse move with marketing.

They made a movie and people by world of mouth took this as they took it. I dont see Chadwich out here talking about it was his intention to make some black power movie to uplift the people.... he was just trynna make a good movie and the best possible movie he can make.

I can respect what you're saying but people like that be on that ultra "conspiracy theorist black militant" shyt may be more of a danger than the faux narrative

Like if this same movie was done but with all white or asian characters or whatever other race..... like literally this exact same movie do we look at it as a subliminal message that white people are aggressive and self-destructive? Was that supposed to be what I was supposed to read from say GOTG2?

I think sometimes, respectfully we overthink shyt


Martha

 

[Lifer11]

I seen this. I can't take nobody seriously talking about "Ross is the hero of the movie" and using terms like neo-liberalism or whatever the fukk.

Fred.

He's one of the heroes of the movie.

If Killmonger got his way, and those planes got away, Wakandan Imperialism would've become a reality. Instead we're left with the notion that it's better to keep the current power structure in tact and change the system incrementally from within, the way T'Challa decides to do at the end.

Now if moving forward T'Challa uses Wakandan wealth and technology to help black people around the world and build a better world, he will become a prototypical superhero, and I imagine that's what's going to happen. And Ross will have played a large part in that. Personally I think Killmonger should've emerged much earlier and succeeded in his mission, causing T'Challa and Wakanda to have to come together to stop him, instead of killing each other. Also eliminating any of Ross' and the CIA's involvement in helping to stop Killmonger.

It also would've shown that the answer to the current system is balance and equality/equity, not just a new system of ethnic/racial supremacy in favor of Africans/Wakandans or Asians or whatever. It would've been really dope and empowering, and wouldn't have had to play on negative and false stereotypes that African countries and Africans are too busy killing themselves to build prosperous nations.

 

[Tasha And]

U do know that World War 2 was fought between different countries right? Captain America helps stop the Nazis, making him and America the clear cut hero. And it takes place during World War 2, the climax of the movie isn't a bunch of white people from the same country ruthlessly killing each other. There's a clear cut bad guy, which are the most universally accepted bad guys in modern history, the Nazis, and a clear cut good guy, Captain America and America as a whole. Completely different. That movie puts forth the idea that America is and has been a force for good. Black Panther is almost all about Wakandans killing each other over power and vibranium.

Exactly what is your beef because you're moving the goalposts? Is it that a kingdom is having a conflict with itself over succession? Then Thor Ragnarok had the same thing. Is it black people on "the same side" fighting each other within the same country? Then Winter Solider had the same thing with the splintering of Shield. Is it America being presented as good in a war with nazis? Nevermind that being a low hanging fruit to pick, America and their various agencies have been presented as corrupt in Iron Man, Captain America, and Black Panther. Captain America is on the run because he can't trust American agencies and their agenda.

Black Panther is not "almost all about" Wakandans killing each other. American racism and colonialism is baked into the entire conflict.

 

[Hejdå]

Just seen it for the 4th time Yo what was that track at the end when they went to the U.S. with the kids playing ball? Track was fire

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Also in Black Panther.... lets stop the over reach about "an entire country or tribe of white people killing each other over power and resources"

Ok they made mentions of that happening earlier in the history..... same when in Thor other realms or races (which really was just white gods) killing each other over power and resources early in their history but at present things was for the most part at peace.

Wakanda wasnt at war with each other they had the option to challenge for the crown in a one on one battle but that was just it, they either respected the way things was or kept it moving.

The other shyt outside of Africa was just some bad people no different from any other bad people doing bad shyt outside a jurisdiction.

But the 5 tribes werent actively killing each other over vibranium throughout the movie? shyt what movie was this? 4 of them were actively working together, shyt this movie made it seem like there wasnt any war inside of Wakanda and everyone there seemed at peace or very happy.

So I'm lost about all "them killing each other" shyt in the current day.

Even later on with the 1 tribe that was against EVERYTHING, even they had a level of respect and decorum... they couldve EASILY KILLED BP or let him die and tried to conquer but they didnt. They saved his life and treated his family with respect.... even protected them


Martha

 

[Lifer11]

Yes you're right, the other MCU movies centered around fellow white people who where family, colleagues, friends or etc violently kill each other over power, resources and world domination.

The climax of one MCU is 2 family members, a father and son, fighting to death over power and control of the galaxy

I think false stereotypes people have against black people is we are dumb, lazy, savages, poor, and need handouts or the assistance of others...... this movie not only didnt reinforce any of that it went completely the opposite directions.

I really dont think Marvel/Disney pulled any finesse move with marketing.

They made a movie and people by world of mouth took this as they took it. I dont see Chadwich out here talking about it was his intention to make some black power movie to uplift the people.... he was just trynna make a good movie and the best possible movie he can make.

I can respect what you're saying but people like that be on that ultra "conspiracy theorist black militant" shyt may be more of a danger than the faux narrative

Like if this same movie was done but with all white or asian characters or whatever other race..... like literally this exact same movie do we look at it as a subliminal message that white people are aggressive and self-destructive? Was that supposed to be what I was supposed to read from say GOTG2?

I think sometimes, respectfully we overthink shyt


Martha

Besides TWS killing the Starks, what MCU movie was based around white people killing each other over power and resources?

None of The Avengers are out for power or resources. The enemies have been aliens, or individuals.

Thor and Loki don't even kill each other and eventually come togethet. Loki kills Odin, but that's not even his biological father and it's offscreen. Not to mention this takes place in a completely fictional alien world. Black Panther is a fictional country but set in the real world.

I am definitely overthinking it, but movies have a HUGE impact on our conscious and subconscious minds, and IMO this is putting forth a longheld false and negative notion that Africa's problems are Africa's fault and not due to the Western world raping the entire continent for its people and resources.

 

[Tasha And]

He's one of the heroes of the movie.

If Killmonger got his way, and those planes got away, Wakandan Imperialism would've become a reality. Instead we're left with the notion that it's better to keep the current power structure in tact and change the system incrementally from within, the way T'Challa decides to do at the end.

Now if moving forward T'Challa uses Wakandan wealth and technology to help black people around the world and build a better world, he will become a prototypical superhero, and I imagine that's what's going to happen. And Ross will have played a large part in that. Personally I think Killmonger should've emerged much earlier and succeeded in his mission, causing T'Challa and Wakanda to have to come together to stop him, instead of killing each other. Also eliminating any of Ross' and the CIA's involvement in helping to stop Killmonger.

It also would've shown that the answer to the current system is balance and equality/equity, not just a new system of ethnic/racial supremacy in favor of Africans/Wakandans or Asians or whatever. It would've been really dope and empowering, and wouldn't have had to play on negative and false stereotypes that African countries and Africans are too busy killing themselves to build prosperous nations.

You keep mentioning Wakandans killing each other being the climax, but I think you are underselling the fact that they didn't fight each other to the death. They laid down their weapons once they saw what that fighting was doing to them. And they stopped fighting before the conflict with Killmonger and T'Challa was settled.

And as far as Ross' involvement playing a large role. He really didn't. What really mattered was who emerged at the end of the T'Challa/Killmonger conflict. If Killmonger wins, Ross is killed and more weapons are sent out. It's the difference between the weapons getting out at 4PM or 6 PM.

Had the planes gotten out of Wakanda and T'Challa emerged, all it would take is T'Challa communicating with the planes to return to Wakanda.

Ross is a footnote in the entire thing. It's a personal victory for him rather than him being absolutely necessary.

 

[Lifer11]

Exactly what is your beef because you're moving the goalposts? Is it that a kingdom is having a conflict with itself over succession? Then Thor Ragnarok had the same thing. Is it black people on "the same side" fighting each other within the same country? Then Winter Solider had the same thing with the splintering of Shield. Is it America being presented as good im a war with nazis? Nevermind that being a low hanging fruit to pick, America and their various agencies have been presented as corrupt in Iron Man, Captain America, and Black Panther. Captain America is on the run because he can't trust American agencies and their agenda.

Black Panther is not "almost all about" Wakandans killing each other. American racism and colonialism is baked into the entire conflict.

My beef is that the first major black superhero movie in the MCU shouldn't have made the main conflict of the film a Wakandan civil war over the right to the throne and vibranium. Wakanda should have come together to fight an outside threat, not have been divided and temporarily conquered by one of its own, whose father was also killed by his own brother for trying to steal vibranium to help blacks in America. The ending set the scene for the sequel to move in the right direction, I just don't believe the series should've began with a Wakandan civil war.

 

[Turk]

The Hotep and woke reviews of this shyt are killing me. I hate dumb smart nikkas who make idiotic points that they would actually know about if bothered to read the actual source material

 

[Lifer11]

You keep mentioning Wakandans killing each other being the climax, but I think you are underselling the fact that they didn't fight each other to the death. They laid down their weapons once they saw what that fighting was doing to them. And they stopped fighting before the conflict with Killmonger and T'Challa was settled.

And as far as Ross' involvement playing a large role. He really didn't. What really mattered was who emerged at the end of the T'Challa/Killmonger conflict. If Killmonger wins, Ross is killed and more weapons are sent out. It's the difference between the weapons getting out at 4PM or 6 PM.

Had the planes gotten out of Wakanda and T'Challa emerged, all it would take is T'Challa communicating with the planes to return to Wakanda.

Ross is a footnote in the entire thing. It's a personal victory for him rather than him being absolutely necessary.

Then why have Ross shoot down the planes at all? The writers knew T'Challa would emerge victorious, why make a white CIA agent play any role in it? Think it was just to slightly appease the white audience?