Official Black Panther Film Thread (SPOILERS)

[JerseyBoy23]

I didn't like how they basically made the black American revolutionary the enemy. Really played on that when he went into his ancestral realm and they had the public enemy and huey p newton posters in the background.

But at the same time, it's the same professor x vs magneto argument all over again. I did like how the movie brought a synthesis to them both at the end and let it be known we all family. Of course white America would love for us to go the way of diplomacy.

I think both answers are right. We need a Malcom x, and a dr king. It's all about when to employ them.

Yeah. I think that's why Coogler had T'Challa choose the compromise to build the Wakanda outreach in the hood.

 

[MostReal]

kind of
but man even the most conservative black person will see what Killmonger is saying.

That last line cuts deep

 

[MikelArteta]

That last line cuts deep

Every time I hear the crack of a whip
My blood runs cold
I remember on the slave ship
How they brutalize the very souls
Today they say that we are free
Only to be chained in poverty

 

[MikelArteta]

For the sequel I hope:

1) killmonger is alive and still has the same energy
2) Storm comes through..and gets with T'challa. Sorry Nakia.
3) we get to see more of each tribe and the dora milaje
4) Explore Wakanda more.

or give us a spin off like disney does with dem star wars movie, Imagine a movie just called wakanda

 

[cornercommission2k12]

I know ya'll like to hate on whitey 24/7/365 up in here, but let's not just auto-assume just cuz someone's white in a black movie that it's only and all for tap-dancing. I mean, yeah, I can see the Token-ism aspect, but meh.

I'm not that familiar with the comics, so if that is the case thanks for the info. From my perspective, it's just seemed forced. Not even about a white character, would have preferred maybe a better white character , use bucky, let them restore his arm, that would have came across better imo. I mean dam thor got hulk, we couldn't get better than a fed?

 

[MostReal]

Was a cool line, but really seemed out of place to me.


That's my only big critique (now thinking about) the film; they mishandled Wakanda's reasonings for isolation.

Not very familiar with Black Panther comic wise, what is the reason in the books for their isolation

 

[Methodical]

Every time I hear the crack of a whip
My blood runs cold
I remember on the slave ship
How they brutalize the very souls
Today they say that we are free
Only to be chained in poverty

Bob Marley the gawd

 

[The Minister Of Culture]

Just got back from my 2nd viewing and I’m noticing more stuff the 2nd go round

In the scenes when they both take the herb that gives them power and transports them to the Ancestral Plane, T'challa and Killmonger have very different visions: T'challa sees himself with his father and a long lineage of ancestors on a vast and beautiful african savannah, but Killmonger sees that same vast plain unreachable through the prison-like windows of his Oakland apartment, where he is reduced again to a child sitting alone and isolated with only his father's ghost to guide him. It reinforces Eric's journey and rage at being isolated from the homeland, and the importance for T'challa of being connected to and informed by it.

In the same vein, in those scenes they either heed or reject the advice of their fathers, respectively. One is enlightened by his lineage and its deep interconnected roots, one is imprisoned and isolated by the crimes that took his family and history from him.Both the historical crime of slavery and the personal crime of his father's death and his abandonment.


Might have to go for that 3 peat

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

I didn't like how they basically made the black American revolutionary the enemy. Really played on that when he went into his ancestral realm and they had the public enemy and huey p newton posters in the background.

But at the same time, it's the same professor x vs magneto argument all over again. I did like how the movie brought a synthesis to them both at the end and let it be known we all family. Of course white America would love for us to go the way of diplomacy.

I think both answers are right. We need a Malcom x, and a dr king. It's all about when to employ them.

You also can't ignore that some just don't wanna be fukked with and wanna be left alone.

Knowing what Wakanda has with and developed using Vibranium would make them the target of constant wars, hence them wanting to be isolationist as well. shyt, other african tribes and countries would be warring with them too, not just the white colonials. White people waged some of the biggest wars in history versus each other. I don't see why the same shyt wouldn't happen if Wakandans did try and rule the world too.

It's not simple, but again I do wonder what it would be like to be in the position of power/privilege.....

If you're familiar with Chairman Mao or Third World Maoism it's sort of similar

 

[Rekkapryde]

Yeah. I think that's why Coogler had T'Challa choose the compromise to build the Wakanda outreach in the hood.

Bingo. You cant be totally isolationist while you have the ability to help people like you. I do hope that he would focus his attention on countries with people of color first though

Militant Cats are also forgetting that Wakanda also has had to fight other African nation's as well so it wasn't just Cac Colonialism

 

[Khalil's_Black_Excellence]

I'm not that familiar with the comics, so if that is the case thanks for the info. From my perspective, it's just seemed forced. Not even about a white character, would have preferred maybe a better white character , use bucky, let them restore his arm, that would have came across better imo. I mean dam thor got hulk, we couldn't get better than a fed?

Using Bucky would've been forced because then you have someone else, a white guy at that, with comparable powers, as another potential protagonist taking away BP's shine and in his first movie. THAT would have been forced and THAT was what was initially a bit feared upon happening for actual BP fans seeing as it would've made this movie less of a standalone and more of a MCU-tie-in, which shouldn't be done in the first movie so much. Especially for a character like BP that already has a deep enough family ties in his own stories rather than use someone shoehorned in that doesn't really factor in any of his stories in the book as a MCU plot device. Granted, it was set up that Bucky was there from the end of civil war, but once again, we wanted this to be about BP and his peoples (friends/family and enemies) rather than the MCU's.

Thor got Hulk in his third film, not his first. If they wanna tie other MCU characters by BP3, I'm open to that.

 

[R=G]

If you think about it this movie was rich people cheating to fukk over poor people.

T'Challa's family cheated to maintain their position and cheat Killmonger out of the throne he rightfully won.

All Hail King Killmonger

He didn't really win. He was alive and he never quit.

 

[MikelArteta]

He didn't really win. He was alive and he never quit.

only reason he was alive because he was helped first by zuri and then by a fisherman

bailed out more than lebron at the trade deadline

and secondly there is no way that dude is beating killmonger without that herb

 

[Norrin Radd]

He didn't really win. He was alive and he never quit.

Fight had that Stone Cold vs Bret Hart finish

 

[Khalil's_Black_Excellence]

only reason he was alive because he was helped first by zuri and then by a fisherman

bailed out more than lebron at the trade deadline

and secondly there is no way that dude is beating killmonger without that herb

LOL. No he didn't. T'challa never yielded and Zuri (Forest Whitaker) interfered in the combat, which is essentially a DQ. He did it due to feeling guilty seeing the results of his actions or rather inactions of aiding in T'Chaka's cover up for N'Jobu's kill, thus creating Killmonger.
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Lot of ya'll getting so wrapped up in Killmonger's militant, thuggery (albeit he had some solid points for sure, so I understand why) that ya'll missed out on the subtleties that took place. Like T'Challa literally could have killed Killmonger very quickly, early in the battle, as twice that he had deathblow shots that he didn't miss by accident, but by intentional mercy. T'Challa relented in their first fight due to a. just finding out the history of Killmonger's upbringing and feeling much remorse for his father's cold-blooded actions and b. taking upon the higher road of Wakandan principles in not killing unless absolutely necessary. Sure, it was quite the gamble for him to do so and plenty would say was the wrong play to make, understandably so.