Official Biden vs. Trump 2020 General Election Thread (Biden WINS 306 Electoral College Votes)

[FAH1223]

Yuck

 

[DirtyD]

clinton was a pretty good president. so was obama. they both left the country in better shape than they inherited

Clinton helped destroy a sizeable portion of U.S. manufacturing jobs and is the reason Trump was able to run on his bullshyt bring back jobs garbage in the first place.

In the United States, too, many of Chomsky’s worries have become reality. Rob Scott, a senior economist at the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), estimates that between 1993 and 2010, 682,900 U.S. jobs have disappeared due to trade with Mexico. An additional 3.4 million jobs—75 percent in manufacturing—were lost due to trade with China between 2001 and 2015.

“Trade is the single most important cause of manufacturing job loss,” Scott says. “It is an urban myth that it is caused by improvements in technology.

“The growth of trade, particularly imports from low-wage countries, explains 90 percent of the suppression of wages of non-college educated workers since 1995.”

What Noam Chomsky Got Right About NAFTA

This completely ignores the myriad of other things like the Glass Steagall repeal and deregulating credit-default swaps which have done untold damage to American society, nevermind the rest of the world.

Obama on the other hand was in the pocket of big business to the point that we know Citibank picked his fukking cabinet. Also, look at how his treasury secretary handled the 08 crisis:

Sorry for the Vox-like explainer on all this, but I hope you can see the fact pattern I’ve built here. At every turn on housing — on mass refinancing, on principal reduction, on leverage for homeowners in the bankruptcy process, on forcing banks to write down mortgages, on a modern-day HOLC — the evidence points to Tim Geithner preferring whatever option put the least pressure on banks, rather than actually helping ordinary people. He made far more excuses to do nothing than any effort to make a difference. In fact, the programs were never meant to help homeowners, designed only to “foam the runway” for the banks, to spread out foreclosures and allow banks to absorb them. Homeowners are the foam being crushed by a jumbo jet in that analogy, squeezed for as many payments as possible before ultimately losing their home. And I don’t have to just focus on housing; this is indicative of Geithner’s worldview, which sees protecting the financial system at all costs as the only thing that matters.

This man made millions suffer: Tim Geithner's sorry legacy on housing

 

[AndroidHero]

Biden assembling White House transition team

Biden also said he would consider Republicans for some top level positions within his administration.

"One advantage of being around a long time is you get to know an awful lot of people. In the private sector, in the public sector, people who are committed - first and foremost - are thoroughly honorable," he said.





"I have had literally several hundred serious, serious players who have been held positions in every department in the federal government who have said, including some Republicans, who have said if you win, I want to come back. I'm ready to serve," he added.

 

[King Static X]

Dudes are really in here caping for the possibility (and at this point a likely probability) of a Biden administration with Republicans filling out the cabinet. And then have the audacity to act offended when people express apathy at our political system.

Who said anything about Republicans "filling out" Biden's cabinet? Biden said he would to open to having "some" Republicans in his cabinet.

Both Clinton & Obama had "some" Republicans in their cabinet. Of course, I would want a 100% Democratic cabinet. However, Democrats are not as hard-line as Republicans, so it's whatever.

Also, you are acting as if he would appoint a Kris Kobach to his cabinet or something. Biden would appoint a Phil Scott-type Republican.

It's even further not a big deal because MOST of his cabinet will be Democrats and he's said he want his cabinet to be racially diverse.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

honestly, this makes me reanalyze my own outlook towards Warren/Kamala and Social Democrats

 

[FAH1223]

The dream scenario...

What A Democratic Landslide Could Look Like
by Evan Scrimshaw | Apr 17, 2020 | Uncategorized | 1 comment

On Thursday, Firehouse Strategies released their latest polling, in partnership with Optimus. As one of the few pollsters releasing both Presidential data and Congressional Generic Ballot Numbers, and with a Likely Voter screen, the data is wide reaching and useful for all levels of office up this year. Their release had Joe Biden up 12% over Donald Trump, and Congressional Democrats up by the same margin, and that got my quarantine gears thinking – what would that kind of landslide look like? With the benefit of the LeanTossup Model, we can see what that would look like. And boy oh boy should the Republicans be worried. Now, again, this is one poll, but it’s within a range of outcomes that multiple pollsters (CNN and Change Research) say is the current state of affairs. Let’s dig in, level by level.

Presidency

To say Donald Trump is in trouble would be the understatement of the decade. For the Republicans, the following states won by the President would flip to the Democrats: Michigan, a Safe Dem gain, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Texas, Arizona, Georgia, Florida (all Likely gains), Iowa, and both the Maine and Nebraska 2nd (Lean/Tossup Lean gains). If all states voted as they leaned per the model, Donald Trump would be reduced to a 125 Electoral College rump, and even if you do it by expected value, the GOP still only gets 151 EC College votes. Democrats would win the White House 95.5% of the time, and the future of the GOP as a party of American government would be in question. The south would be strongly Democratic, with 6%+ wins across 4 southern states that Trump won. The rust belt revolution of 2016 is mostly erased as well, with Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania moving back to their previous history of Democratic supporting states. Even Ohio, the crown jewel of Republican efforts in 2016, is back to Likely Democratic.

Senate

The real bloodbath is in the Senate, however, where Democrats would be favoured to make 12 gains – a net gain of 11, to take them up to 58 seats. By expected value, it’s still 56.6 seats for them, but the bloodbath would be wide. Not only would the main four seats flip – Colorado, Arizona, Maine, and North Carolina – but the GOP would lose Texas, Montana, Kansas, both Georgia seats, Iowa, and then see the Democrats nudge ahead in both South Carolina and Alaska. That Senate class would be even better than the GOP’s 2014 class, where they won the Senate back with 9 gains, and put the Senate out of reach until at least 2024, given the 2022 Senate map is favourable to the Dems. Not only that, but it would put people like Cal Cunningham, Sara Gideon, and Steve Bullock into office for a long, long time, as they would have big margins of victory and blaze the trail for their re-elections. Flipping Texas should also show the party how to flip the Governorship there in 2022, and also provide a strong top of the ticket for winning the Texas State House and stopping a new gerrymander in the House of Reps going forward. South Carolina and Alaska would be wave elections, aided by the money Jamie Harrison and Al Gross both have – both outraised their GOP incumbents in Q1, and a national environment like this is the exact reason them doing so mattered – they were there to take advantage of the opportunity.

House

In some ways, this is the least consequential outcome of this because congressional boundaries will be redrawn before 2022 anyways, and House majorities are fickle things. That all said, the notional majority of 238 seats the Democrats hold going into the cycle (after taking the NC redrawing and TX-23 into account) grows to 260 seats after this landslide, and while that could get chipped away at by cracking districts, it would put the majority two bad cycles away. It would be a disaster for the Republicans to walk into the 2022 midterms with no chance of winning anything of consequence, but such a House majority would be unassailable.

All in, this Optimus polling is a nightmare for the GOP, and shows how far down the line Democratic gains could go, if the GOP doesn’t get their shyt together. No matter how many people give us lazy 2016 Whataboutism, 2020 is fundamentally a different beast, and best available data says the GOP are up shyt’s creek without a paddle. The real question is whether they can find a way out.

 

[mc_brew]

neg worthy post....

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

The dream scenario...

Wtf is this about ?!

 

[MoneyTron]

Wtf is this about ?!

The third article is a hypothetical but the first two are pretty easy to follow.

They’re just models based on polling data. It will change pretty frequently. Y’all scared?

 

[AnonymityX1000]

DEVASTATING. Just wait till the debate!

Clinton helped destroy a sizeable portion of U.S. manufacturing jobs and is the reason Trump was able to run on his bullshyt bring back jobs garbage in the first place.


What Noam Chomsky Got Right About NAFTA

This completely ignores the myriad of other things like the Glass Steagall repeal and deregulating credit-default swaps which have done untold damage to American society, nevermind the rest of the world.

Obama on the other hand was in the pocket of big business to the point that we know Citibank picked his fukking cabinet. Also, look at how his treasury secretary handled the 08 crisis:



This man made millions suffer: Tim Geithner's sorry legacy on housing

He also deregulated media making it possible for big conglomerates to own local stations thus bringing the media landscape from 100s of different companies to 6. That plus NAFTA plus continuing the war on drugs means he didn't leave the country in better shape than when he came in IMO.

 

[MoneyTron]

Yall really arguing that Bill Clinton was a bad president now? Bozos.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Yall really arguing that Bill Clinton was a bad president now? Bozos.

That was a good rebuttal to.

 

[the next guy]

Yall really arguing that Bill Clinton was a bad president now? Bozos.

I don't think he was. I do believe free trade is a cause for a lot of issues right now, including the coronavirus.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

 

[Conan]

That was a good rebuttal to.

It's the kind of reply that should be bushed out of HL. Low quality.