Official Biden vs. Trump 2020 General Election Thread (Biden WINS 306 Electoral College Votes)

Who wins?

  • Joe Biden, Vice President of the USA (2009-2017)

    Votes: 440 81.6%
  • Donald Trump, President of the USA (2017-present)

    Votes: 99 18.4%

  • Total voters
    539
  • Poll closed .

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Can't post it now but did you guys hear what McConnell said about the Post Office? He said he seems to be running fine...but then he outright rejected the conspiracies that voting by mail is problematic. Perhaps the first notable pushback we've seen from McConnell on Trump recently. Lines up with the idea that the party might cut their losses if Trump is still underwater by Labor Day.

Labor Day is 3 weeks away

Trump is down 8 points nationally on average. Don’t see him cutting that much.



Wisconsin polling has been really consistent. Biden has been consistently at 6 points ahead. And he’s regularly around 49%. @MushroomX

Former Vice President Joe Biden is polling ahead of President Donald Trump in Wisconsin as Democrats open their effectively virtual national convention, originally slated to take place in Milwaukee, but state party leaders expect nothing but a nail-biter when votes from the pivotal battleground state are counted in November.

A new Morning Consult poll found Biden leads Trump by 6 percentage points, 49 percent to 43 percent, among likely voters in Wisconsin, while another 7 percent said they would either vote for someone else or are undecided. The poll of 788 Wisconsin likely voters was conducted Aug. 7-16, and has a margin of error of 3 points.

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Heading into the Democratic National Convention, Biden leads Trump by 8 points among voters nationwide, 51 percent to 43 percent. That poll surveyed 11,809 likely voters from Aug. 14-16, with a 1-point margin of error.

“Despite the fact that Biden is lapping Trump in the polls, nobody thinks they can let their guard down for a second, and people are pouring hours in every night to call and text voters,” Ben Wikler, the Wisconsin Democratic Party chairman, said in a Sunday interview. “When we’ve talked to voters who’ve gone back and forth, they’re overwhelmingly planning to vote for Biden, but we know that things can change in a heartbeat.”

The Wisconsin poll found Biden leads Trump with the state’s suburban electorate by 8 points, 49 percent to 41 percent, and by 10 points among women, 51 percent to 41 percent. Trump has a 12-point advantage among white Wisconsinites without a college degree, while Biden nearly doubles that edge among the state’s college-educated voters, leading the group by 23 points.

Morning Consult’s daily tracking of the race shows a largely stable contest over the past few months, with one significant exception: Since early May, Biden has turned the tables on Trump with Wisconsin independents, who now back the former vice president by 13 points, 46 percent to 33 percent. On May 5, when tracking began, Biden trailed Trump with the group by 3 points, 39 percent to 42 percent.

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After polling in the lead-up to the 2016 election showed Democrat Hillary Clinton with a 6- to 8-point lead over her Republican rival, Trump won the state by nearly 23,000 votes — less than a percentage point. Two years later, Democrat Tony Evers beat incumbent Gov. Scott Walker (R) by a similar margin.

That context fuels Republican Party of Wisconsin Chairman Andrew Hitt’s belief that the presidential contest in the state is “razor thin” this time around, with coverage of the race reminding him of the near-certain Clinton victory projected there four years ago.

“If you recall in 2016, in June he was down by nine, down by seven in October, and down by six two days before the election,” he said. “It’s going to come down to ground game and execution, and getting your message directly to the voters.”

For Republicans, Hitt said, that means trying to fire up the party’s voters with old-fashioned door-knocking led by a party staff that’s been in place for over a year. For Democrats, Wikler said the efforts have been focused on digital and phone outreach, mindful of voters’ concerns about the coronavirus pandemic.

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The Democratic National Convention’s decision to forgo a major in-person event in Milwaukee could chip away at an advantage Democrats had hoped to secure in the battleground state. Past research, highlighted by Wikler in an April interview, has shown “conventions significantly affect the presidential candidates’ county-level vote shares” in and around the places where they’re held, and that Democrats are more likely to gain support in the host communities than Republicans due to their urban bent.

As things stand, it looks like the GOP will have more high-profile party figures campaigning in the Badger State amid the culmination of the Democratic nominating process. While Trump’s campaign is hosting a number of events in Wisconsin this week, including a visit from the president himself on Monday, Biden will not be traveling to the state and instead plans to address it remotely from Delaware.

Hitt likened Biden’s absence to the Clinton campaign’s decision not to send the former secretary of state to Wisconsin during the general election campaign, and noted that Biden hasn’t campaigned there in person since the 2018 midterms, when he stumped for Evers and Democratic Sen. Tammy Baldwin.

“We all need to be careful about coronavirus,” he said. “But you can’t tell me Joe Biden couldn’t get on a private plane and accept his nomination here, even if just symbolically to an empty room — especially knowing that Hillary Clinton failed to come to Wisconsin.”

The state has been the target of television advertising from Biden’s campaign and its allies, as well as from Trump’s campaign and a supporting super PAC, according to a July report from the Wesleyan Media Project. Both campaigns have reserved ad time in Wisconsin for the fall campaign.

Wikler said the notion that Biden’s campaign is neglecting the state doesn’t pass the smell test.

“In a time when grandparents aren’t seeing their grandkids in person, people understand things are operating differently,” he said. “Every Wisconsinite is going to know that Joe Biden cares about winning Wisconsin votes, and that he cares about Wisconsin voters.”
 

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something is SO fukked up (I don't mean necessary false or inaccurate - I mean fukked up) when I see middle aged people supporting Trump more than senior citizens at this point. :gucci: is this some kind of skull sickness about life not turning out the way you want and you still being stupid enough to just blame those with more melanin? :sitdown:
 

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Sanders own staffer pulled receipts. He blocked the GOP picks.

Beyond that, Obama had six years. Why wait until the GOP wins the Senate in 2014?

He had huge Senate majorities the first 2 years, very healthy Senate majorities the following 4 years. He had ample time to get that shid together.
They're looking for their new 'Hillary lost because of Bernie' storyline.

So it doesn't matter how many times you repeat the actual facts they just stick to the story :hubie:
 

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Wassup with this Politico article on Obama and Biden? :patrice: Is it bullshyt? Is it a hit piece meant to muddle people’s perception of Biden? Why would Obama hate on Biden like that? If any of this is true, he was talking hella greasy about him.

‘The President Was Not Encouraging’: What Obama Really Thought About Biden

Obama knew Joe was washed in 2016, but he also arrogantly overestimated Hillary’s appeal. But here we are, Biden is the candidate and Trump must not get a second term.
 

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Obama knew Joe was washed in 2016, but he also arrogantly overestimated Hillary’s appeal. But here we are, Biden is the candidate and Trump must not get a second term.

Overrated her extremely. He should’ve let the chips fall where they may. If she was as strong a candidate as he thought, he didn’t need to alienate Biden to prop her up. His comments almost sound like they came from an insecure place. I hope it’s bullsh*t.
 

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Overrated her extremely. He should’ve let the chips fall where they may. If she was as strong a candidate as he thought, he didn’t need to alienate Biden to prop her up. His comments almost sound like they came from an insecure place. I hope it’s bullsh*t.
Obama has biases just like everyone else. His calculations were wrong and more arrogant than anything, just like they described in the piece.

"Joe is old, he's a man, he's not on the intellectual level of me or Hillary. He's not change. That's what voters want this time around so he's probably getting beat. The wind is blowing in her direction anyway. I can't tie my horse to him."

Everything happens for a reason though. Joe is about as good as it gets for this election and this election only. Just being a centrist older white man is a great antidote to Trump. Go figure.
 
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Obama has biases just like everyone else. His calculations were wrong and more arrogant than anything, just like they described in the piece.

"Joe is old, he's a man, he's not on the intellectual level of me or Hillary. That's not what voters want this time around so he's probably getting beat. I can't tie my horse to that."

Everything happens for a reason though. Joe is about as good as it gets for this election and this election only. Just being a centrist older white man is a great antidote to Trump. Go figure.

IDK. Some of these quotes are unnecessary. Both were from anonymous second hand sources so you don’t know how true it is but if Obama was really saying that about his own VP I don’t know what else to call it. Sounds personal almost. Biden held him down (at least publicly). Why shyt on him...did all that talking about how Biden was gonna fail only for Hilary to fukk it up :unimpressed:

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IDK. Some of these quotes are unnecessary. Both were from anonymous second hand sources so you don’t know how true it is but if Obama was really saying that about his own VP I don’t know what else to call it. Sounds personal almost. Biden held him down (at least publicly). Why shyt on him...did all that talking about how Biden was gonna fail only for Hilary to fukk it up :unimpressed:
Well, it doesn't sound like anything he wouldn't say. :russ:

Joe didn't have it in Iowa and he does say wild shyt every now and then. :yeshrug:
 
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