Official Biden vs. Trump 2020 General Election Thread (Biden WINS 306 Electoral College Votes)

[ill]

Stfu it don’t matter who the dems pick your republican ass thinks they’ll lose. I don’t know where all these mass republicans come from

You’re right. No ones beating trump. Been saying it for a while now. You guys gonna get your hopes up for nothing again. Enjoy and have fun with that.

Keep ignoring that mass republicans told you 10 million times they’d vote for Bernie but you chose to elect senile joe who’s corrupt and likes to touch little kids in wierd ways but you think that purity is gonna beat Donald. Clowns.

Joe is literally running on nothing besides “I’m not Donald trump”. Good luck with that.

 

[the cac mamba]

I understand the optimism on Joe but I think some people aren’t under playing the advantages that any incumbent especially Trump has:

He’s never stopped campaigning
They have been stacking money left and right which helps with organizing
All of the things we have essentially hated him for have been normalized.
Voter suppression on 1000

Joe just showing up and being not Trump ain’t enough across the board.

i never thought it was a lock for a single democrat out of the 23 every single one of them would be the underdog, imo

if the economy tanks, trump is finished. if not... incumbents dont lose in good economies

 

[FAH1223]

@FAH1223 @Warren Moon

I tagged y'all b/c y'all are from two differ factions and knowledgeable about policy. What are 1 or 2 policy proposals (obviously not M4A) that Biden should embrace from the Bernie wing as a way to reach back to his voters without alienating Biden's base? Biden will most likely be the first candidate in history that will need to move away from the center primary -> general. Obama needs to advice him not to remain content. Obama through his work w/ his foundation has a pulse of the frustration right now within the young generation. Embracing some type of student loan forgiveness or a more ambition climate change initiative or calling up Warren to take parts of her anti-corruption bill would be smart IMO.

More generous student loan forgiveness plan, legalize weed and expunge records and pardons, and climate change is a big one.

Id also say he needs to tweak his healthcare plan more.

 

[the cac mamba]

You’re right. No ones beating trump. Been saying it for a while now. You guys gonna get your hopes up for nothing again. Enjoy and have fun with that.

Keep ignoring that mass republicans told you 10 million times they’d vote for Bernie .

yeah, ignore this. and im from mass

i think i'll listen to michigan republicans tell us they'll vote for biden.

 

[A.R.$]

No offense, but none of this is different than last cycle and I don’t see where any indication is that their turnout will be up. The numbers don’t work here when we’re seeing how much Hillary depressed the vote, that with the slim margins needed to flip Midwest states, trump ain’t so trying pretty.

one second you say voters have Short memories (coronavirus) yet they’ll be more critical of a long ago action (nafta) than trump’s trade war. Voters ain’t even thinking that deep...

you’re on your @acri1 steeze, that’s fine, but I see opportunity in this election not doom and gloom

Saying the election will come down to how the economy is doing is not gloom or doom. That how most elections is usually decided.

I have to address your dismissal of trade. Saying things like NAFTA is old so it not going to matter don’t make sense to me. Both NAFTA and the Crime Bill was 22 years old in 2016 and it still worked. Biden haven’t really been attacked yet. He got a free pass on both NAFTA and the Crime Bill in the primaries.

By short memories I mean if the virus is under control by the summer. If corona is still a topic in the fall of course it going to hurt Trump. I already stated that coronavirus might kill Trump campaign. But if it is under control in another month or two I don’t think it will matter much in November. It is just hard to predict at this point. I think there is more evidence that we might be heading into a economic downturn than how coronavirus is going to impact the election. There were signs that a downturn was coming before coronavirus happened. We just didn’t know when it would hit. And if this is the case Biden should win. If not I think Trump will win. My take shouldn’t be that controversial.

 

[The ADD]

i never thought it was a lock for a single democrat out of the 23 every single one of them would be the underdog, imo

if the economy tanks, trump is finished. if not... incumbents dont lose in good economies

i never thought it was a lock for a single democrat out of the 23 every single one of them would be the underdog, imo

if the economy tanks, trump is finished. if not... incumbents dont lose in good economies

Economy tanking is not a for certain deal killer IMO. Hear me out:

What is to prevent Trump from passing massive middle/working class cuts leading into the election that give the appearance of him helping those groups? The people with more invested in the stock market probably (this is a broad brush) fall into two camps. One is someone who took losses but wanted him out regardless. The other took losses but wouldn't trust the Dems to fix the situation. Also Joe's mostly talking about compromise. Why vote for a change that requires compromise when one side already hold the power.

 

[the cac mamba]

Economy tanking is not a for certain deal killer IMO. Hear me out:

What is to prevent Trump from passing massive middle/working class cuts leading into the election that give the appearance of him helping those groups? The people with more invested in the stock market probably (this is a broad brush) fall into two camps. One is someone who took losses but wanted him out regardless. The other took losses but wouldn't trust the Dems to fix the situation. Also Joe's mostly talking about compromise. Why vote for a change that requires compromise when one side already hold the power.

trump is an awful leader who's never faced a crisis, that's what id have to bank on. otherwise you're right, he has plenty of tools at his disposal with bailouts and shyt

congress holds the purse though, they should just tell him they're not freeing up any money because his tax cut for the rich took it all

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Saying the election will come down to how the economy is doing is not gloom or doom. That how most elections is usually decided.

I have to address your dismissal of trade. Saying things like NAFTA is old so it not going to matter don’t make sense to me. Both NAFTA and the Crime Bill was 22 years old in 2016 and it still worked. Biden haven’t really been attacked yet. He got a free pass on both NAFTA and the Crime Bill in the primaries.

By short memories I mean if the virus is under control by the summer. If corona is still a topic in the fall of course it going to hurt Trump. I already stated that coronavirus might kill Trump campaign. But if it is under control in another month or two I don’t think it will matter much in November. It is just hard to predict at this point. I think there is more evidence that we might be heading into a economic downturn than how coronavirus is going to impact the election. There were signs that a downturn was coming before coronavirus happened. We just didn’t know when it would hit. And if this is the case Biden should win. If not I think Trump will win. My take shouldn’t be that controversial.

i'm not dismissing trade as much as you're overstating it...

here again are the numbers from the midwest that caused this freaking collapse...this was a Hillary hate thing, not a Hillary policy thing

So it's fair to say that the 2016 presidential election was decided by about 77,000 votes out of than 136 million ballots cast. According to the final tallies, Trump won Pennsylvania by 0.7 percentage points (44,292 votes), Wisconsin by 0.7 points (22,748 votes), Michigan by 0.2 points (10,704 votes).

Absolutely nothing points to these margins not being able to be reversed by campaigning in the Midwest (somethings that arrogantly wasn't done) and not being Hillary

 

[A.R.$]

#WriteInBernie is trending #1 right now on Twitter.

God, is this Russia or are there that many cultists in this country who don't understand the consequences of this election?

Give them time. Emotions are still raw. The same thing would be happening on the other side if Bernie would of won. To some Biden is just an unacceptable choice and I understand why. But if Biden pick a decent VP and compromise a little I believe most Bernie voters will vote for Biden.

 

[thatrapsfan]

You’re right. No ones beating trump. Been saying it for a while now. You guys gonna get your hopes up for nothing again. Enjoy and have fun with that.

Keep ignoring that mass republicans told you 10 million times they’d vote for Bernie but you chose to elect senile joe who’s corrupt and likes to touch little kids in wierd ways but you think that purity is gonna beat Donald. Clowns.

Joe is literally running on nothing besides “I’m not Donald trump”. Good luck with that.

The biggest pool of swing voters are the suburbanites who flipped the House in 2018 and Biden is doing exceptionally well with them. He's also doing well with conservative Dem voters who voted Trump in 2016, including in Michigan (which is obviously far more relevant).

Im not Donald Trump and a return to normalcy will likely be a very compelling pitch, especially in light of a pandemic.

The margins will always be thin so I dont think *anyone* can guarantee a result so far out. But your post comes off as the right wing version of being too online

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

im hopeful that obeezy is in his ear. but the one thing about hillary and biden is their privilege shows like a motherfukker. by that i mean they both are soooo unapologetic to the point it disgust me on stuff they should stepback and say hey i was wrong i evolved etc etc.

i would like to see biden talk about bringing healthcare costs down and take a shot at insurers. what do you think they should emprace though? what do you think they can embrace?

when it comes to vp i have no clue who is best i wanna say a women/black women. but idk how that will effect voters.

i had faith that we were ready. but obama had to be "perfect" for voters to look past him color and even then i dont htink it was 100%.

He has to be clear about his vision for expanding ACA/creating a real public option. People have to feel he’s committed to it, and while not moving toward M4A, there will be something that insures the uninsured. And like you said, need to make the lowering the cost of drugs and thwarting pharmaceutical company greed a key issue as well.

He needs a policy for the youth, whether it’s loan reform or cost of college reduction, something to say he’s got their future in mind

he needs to be firm in support of various layers of the social safety net as well as make $15/hr become a bigger part of the conversation, let those who identify as more vulnerable become comfortable with him

Lastly, he needs to brush off his shroud of corporatism in the Midwest and let Scranton/Amtrak Joe shine

I think his VP will need to appeal to Latinos, I just don’t see how he authentically does that

 

[Warren Moon]

@FAH1223 @Warren Moon

I tagged y'all b/c y'all are from two differ factions and knowledgeable about policy. What are 1 or 2 policy proposals (obviously not M4A) that Biden should embrace from the Bernie wing as a way to reach back to his voters without alienating Biden's base? Biden will most likely be the first candidate in history that will need to move away from the center primary -> general. Obama needs to advice him not to remain content. Obama through his work w/ his foundation has a pulse of the frustration right now within the young generation. Embracing some type of student loan forgiveness or a more ambition climate change initiative or calling up Warren to take parts of her anti-corruption bill would be smart IMO.

I can’t think of anything right now.

they align on a lot of stuff already

 

[Jplaya2023]

Dude deleted my thread with this exact title, in order to post it himself

self preservation

 

[Jplaya2023]

we're fukked. Racist ass biden gonna have all that shyt in the past come up and it's going to cause people not to vote. I don't get why Bernie is being railroaded here? Is it because he's old as dust? It would be great if he got the nod made michelle his right hand and retired after a year

 

[ill]

The biggest pool of swing voters are the suburbanites who flipped the House in 2018 and Biden is doing exceptionally well with them. He's also doing well with conservative Dem voters who voted Trump in 2016, including in Michigan (which is obviously far more relevant).

Im not Donald Trump and a return to normalcy will likely be a very compelling pitch, especially in light of a pandemic.

The margins will always be thin so I dont think *anyone* can guarantee a result so far out. But your post comes off as the right wing version of being too online

Good analysis. I was clapping back at the dude who quoted me cuz he was talking shyt about a post I was civil and non-combative in so fukk him.


Turnout needs to be huge for Joe to have a chance. Economy needs to tank as well. No incumbents lose with a strong economy.

Vegas has Trump at -130, and Joe at even odds right now for the electoral college.