Official Biden vs. Trump 2020 General Election Thread (Biden WINS 306 Electoral College Votes)

[A.R.$]

I need you Debbie Downers to explain to me how trump wins other than not liking Biden and/or doing the overly pessimistic thing so you don’t get your hopes up? How does Trump hang on to MI and PA, the margins were so low and it’s clear it was an anti Hillary thing. WI, IA, and NC are really the only swing states to me. Neither AZ, TX, nor GA is flipping this year.

We debated this in the other thread. If you go back to my posts there fully explained. Biden is weak on trade. That could hurt in in the rust belt. That is what helped Trump win in 2016. Also the republicans haven’t went at his record yet. It is a lot in Biden’s record to attack. The only way I see Biden winning is if we have a economic downturn, and it looks like that might be happening now. This election will come down to how the economy is doing.

 

[ORDER_66]

 

[A.R.$]

Primary turnout has been up and Joe is winning the demos where it’s up, including splitting the independent vote with Bernie and killing it with working class voters and college educated suburban voters. Quite honestly it doesn’t seem like he needs to fire people up so much as people seem interested in what he offers, “a return to normalcy”.

Major difference between a primary and general election. The Dems were nice to Joe. Trump p is going to be vicious . Trump and the republicans whole strategy is to depress turnout. And they have a lot to work with. Also Republican turnout have been good considering that they don’t even have a real primary.

 

[jj23]

Right??????

I think that honestly there is a certain demographic that came out for Obama and ONLY Obama.

I keep thinking about Hillary's loss or even how Biden will have to low-key struggle to nab some votes in the swing States and marvel at how Obama seemed to do it with ease.

Obama's stronghold on voters is INSANE. Really.

Obama's operation was unprecedented.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

@FAH1223 Make the thread poll show who voted for who

 

[Loose]

We debated this in the other thread. If you go back to my posts there fully explained. Biden is weak on trade. That could hurt in in the rust belt. That is what helped Trump win in 2016. Also the republicans haven’t went at his record yet. It is a lot in Biden’s record to attack. The only way I see Biden winning is if we have a economic downturn, and it looks like that might be happening now. This election will come down to how the economy is doing.

And all biden has to do is point out his fails as a leader right now during this corona virus crisis

 

[Atlrocafella]

@dora_da_destroyer really knows how to put her feelings aside and pivot to General election mode

 

[jj23]

MSNBC highlighting that coronavirus is spreading and the GOP are voting on Burisma.

 

[A.R.$]

And all biden has to do is point out his fails as a leader right now during this corona virus crisis

The corona virus is another X factor. Trump response have been beyond terrible. But people have short memories. So it will depend on how long it goes on and what else is in the news at the time. But it definitely have the potential to kill Trump’s campaign.

 

[thatrapsfan]

what if biden hits a perfect chord between appealing to different segments. he could CRUSH trump if the economy tanks

Union voters don’t matter if they’re not below 25

 

[thatrapsfan]

We debated this in the other thread. If you go back to my posts there fully explained. Biden is weak on trade. That could hurt in in the rust belt. That is what helped Trump win in 2016. Also the republicans haven’t went at his record yet. It is a lot in Biden’s record to attack. The only way I see Biden winning is if we have a economic downturn, and it looks like that might be happening now. This election will come down to how the economy is doing.

Man look at the numbers last night.

Michigan was supposed to be Biden’s undoing because of his supposed weakness on trade and he literally swept the state. Swept union members, swept the most conservative districts, and white working class voters as well. All of this on higher turnout. The conventional wisdom needs to catch up with the facts on the ground.

 

[Malcolmxxx_23]

@dora_da_destroyer really knows how to put her feelings aside and pivot to General election mode

as it should be

yall remember the PUMA Hillary supporters

even they fell in line and voted for Hussein

 

[No1]

Man look at the numbers last night.

Michigan was supposed to be Biden’s undoing because of his supposed weakness on trade and he literally swept the state. Swept union members, swept the most conservative districts, and white working class voters as well. All of this on higher turnout. The conventional wisdom needs to catch up with the facts on the ground.

Biden won’t be able to control the narrative like he could in a democratic primary where no one wanted to hurt each other too bad. Sanders didn’t run any negative ads on Biden. If anything, that showed me he probably wasn’t the guy progressives were looking for. You cannot be the nominee and not be a fighter. In the end, Bernie was too nice and too bad at retail politics. Trump on the other hand, and the Republican machine will not allow Biden to get away with anything. They will do what they did to Hillary times 10,000. If Biden wins, it won’t be because people trust him to get anything done - it will be because they want Trump out. There wasn’t a single debate on trade prior to Michigan. Bernie never contrasted himself to Biden. His team should have been driving all of this home since Iowa. This is what happens when your team if full of outsiders trying to play an insider’s game. But Biden could also win off the strength of all the new people that progressives registered to vote. You saw this happen with Doug Jones in Alabama and Wilmer in Michigan. Progressives lost but brought in a lot of new people. Sanders campaign’s popularity with Hispanic voters and that turnout will be important in Arizona, Texas, and Nevada. To a lesser extent in Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan.

 

[the next guy]

Demographics.

Ohio has a large white, working class & white, non-college educated population (both higher than the national average). Those groups normally vote Republican and have turned even further away from the Democratic Party since Obama's presidency and the rise of Trump. Also, the big cities of Ohio are just not enough to outweigh the rest of the state. Additionally, Ohio has only had 1 Democratic governor since 1991 (Ted Strickland who served only 1 term).

Florida is a tilt R state because of Cubans (especially older ones), Venezuelans and White retirees (who are largely conservative and racist). Obama was able to turn out enough Black voters and young people in '08 & '12 to win Florida. Florida is going to be won by Trump again (51-49% margin probably).

Right??????

I think that honestly there is a certain demographic that came out for Obama and ONLY Obama.

I keep thinking about Hillary's loss or even how Biden will have to low-key struggle to nab some votes in the swing States and marvel at how Obama seemed to do it with ease.

Obama's stronghold on voters is INSANE. Really.

turnout, turnout , turnout. give voters in ohio something to vote for, not just that trump is bad.

 

[A.R.$]

Man look at the numbers last night.

Michigan was supposed to be Biden’s undoing because of his supposed weakness on trade and he literally swept the state. Swept union members, swept the most conservative districts, and white working class voters as well. All of this on higher turnout. The conventional wisdom needs to catch up with the facts on the ground.

Again,
primaries are different from a general election. Plus Biden by all accounts was already viewed as the nominee. The polls in Michigan was a lot different before SC and Super Tuesday. The debate in Michigan before the primary helped Bernie in 2016. In that debate Bernie hammered her on trade. Biden really haven’t been attacked on trade yet. Biden might still when if the economy start going downhill. But it is a major mistake to think that these primary numbers will automatically transfer to the general election.