Official Bernie Sanders HQ: Not Me, Us!
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This. Young people tweet a lot but don’t vote sadly.
When bernie has these rallies, is it just that everyone of his supporters ( not literally) is showing up and so even if they all vote it’s not a big amount relatively speaking or are these fukkin hippies just showing up like Bern is a rockstar but then not show up to vote. It’s not a party it’s serious shyt
Yup let's not act like voter suppression in tx TX didn't play a part in this.
With 45% of the vote in Cali reporting, Sanders leads Biden 32-23
That kind of margin will not make up for losing BIG in Virginia, North Carolina, Alabama, Arkansas and Tennessee and losing (by not as big margins, but still losing) in Texas, Massachusetts, Minnesota ...
Bernie would have to win Cali by 25-30 points, and he is not remotely on track for that ...
i think its a bigger lead than that in cali. idk the exact amount but lots of people are projecting around a tie certainly not insurmountable, dont get me wrong im disappointied but its not mathematically close to over
New Jeruzalem Journalist
Superstar
Nah, I'm not hearing that. Voter suppression is real and def happens every election, but Bernie didnt get drowned in all these states because of it.
Just like 2016, people need to just face the facts and place the blame where it belongs. THE VOTERS.
It wasnt Russia, 3rd Party voters, non-voters, and Bernie Bros that put Trump in office. Blame the people that voted against their best interests and voted for Trump over Hillary.
Same goes here. If you're poor working class and you voted for Biden because you get a warm tingly feeling inside thinking about that picture you saw of Obama laughing and hugging Biden, you gotta hold that L.
Doesn't matter that the warm tingly feeling you felt inside was really the beginning of renal failure that will eventually bankrupt you and your family and kill you as well.
I dont see tonight as being that complicated. I thought the allure of Obama nostalgia would not be enough to prevent people from demanding real change in this country.
I was wrong. The end.
Look, I understand you want to be optimistic. Who is still, after all these results, projecting the overall delegate counts to be roughly tied?
You can't get annihilated in multiple states, lose most of the rest of them, and make up for all that with a modest victory in California
Nah, I'm not hearing that. Voter suppression is real and def happens every election, but Bernie didnt get drowned in all these states because of it.
Just like 2016, people need to just face the facts and place the blame where it belongs. THE VOTERS.
It wasnt Russia, 3rd Party voters, non-voters, and Bernie Bros that put Trump in office. Blame the people that voted against their best interests and voted for Trump over Hillary.
Same goes here. If you're poor working class and you voted for Biden because you get a warm tingly feeling inside thinking about that picture you saw of Obama laughing and hugging Biden, you gotta hold that L.
Doesn't matter that the warm tingly feeling you felt inside was really the beginning of renal failure that will eventually bankrupt you and your family and kill you as well.
I dont see tonight as being that complicated. I thought the allure of Obama nostalgia would not be enough to prevent people from demanding real change in this country.
I was wrong. The end.
Well said
Bernie Sanders should drop out.
I hate to say this, but I see zero chance that he can overtake Biden now.
Here's why:
1. Which delegate-rich states are left that Bernie can win? Only some of the midwestern states, and even in the most optimistic of scenarios, Bernie won't win by more than 10-15 points. He could theoretically win all of Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania. But it's probably more likely that he will LOSE all of them. To be honest, I only feel good about his chances in Wisconsin and Michigan out of those.
2. Even IF Bernie wins all of Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania (and that's a big "if") it wouldn't be enough. Even IF Bernie wins each of Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania by 15 points (which I think is basically impossible), it wouldn't be enough.
You know why? Because Bernie will continue to get absolutely annihilated in the south. He will get annihilated in Florida and Georgia, which have lots of delegates. Add that to losing smaller states like Mississippi or Louisiana by 40-50 points, and you can see how impossible it is to find delegates elsewhere to overcome those margins.
I hate to say this, but I see zero chance that he can overtake Biden now.
Here's why:
1. Which delegate-rich states are left that Bernie can win? Only some of the midwestern states, and even in the most optimistic of scenarios, Bernie won't win by more than 10-15 points. He could theoretically win all of Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania. But it's probably more likely that he will LOSE all of them. To be honest, I only feel good about his chances in Wisconsin and Michigan out of those.
2. Even IF Bernie wins all of Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania (and that's a big "if") it wouldn't be enough. Even IF Bernie wins each of Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania by 15 points (which I think is basically impossible), it wouldn't be enough.
You know why? Because Bernie will continue to get absolutely annihilated in the south. He will get annihilated in Florida and Georgia, which have lots of delegates. Add that to losing smaller states like Mississippi or Louisiana by 40-50 points, and you can see how impossible it is to find delegates elsewhere to overcome those margins.
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afterlife2009
Superstar
Okay I'm coming in hot but I've been harping on this. If Biden stays steady and goes on to win we weren’t “robbed”, they've successfully outmaneuvered Bernie due to failures of our left media and progressive organizations. Warren was always a wrecker and should have been vigorously opposed from the beginning. We had a small window back in January with the centrists clustered but we lost the race in May when Warren's campaign was saved due to the plan war.
Thanks to likes of Ryan Grim, David Klion, Emma V, Sam Seder, TYT and other unity progressive liberals, Warren was laundered as an acceptable option through the summer and how it was good for the movement. I posted this link in the primary thread back in May but no one quoted it cause everyone was so excited about her gaining in the polls Elizabeth Warren decries big money in politics. Her campaign treasurer embodies it. – Center for Public Integrity
There was absolutely no real resistance to her campaign until the fall and by then it was too late. I'm not tryna be an a$$hole but anyone who did not oppose her from the start cannot be trusted to accurately diagnose what just happened. There isn't a single progressive media outlet or twitter person who comes out of this intact. They are all complicit.
These progressive organizations/media are completely swallowed by liberalism and their careers. The Bernie campaign itself inseparable from that left media and progressive activist complex. Bernie is just a guy at the top of it but the whole thing is very media/activist and that's the problem. This is exactly like Labour, these people are so disconnected with the base they so desperately want.
Part of the professional class left thinks that the next step is we grow DSA to 200k members then we go to South Carolina and tell them we need to Abolish ICE. Then we run AOC in 2032 and save the planet from climate change. Movement politics! We had no chance with older black voters and Virginia moderates but I’m not looking forward to the takes lol
No hard feelings though and still got love, It’ll be fun to get laughed at in news cycle after news cycle with y’all
I feel bad for Bernie but I don’t feel bad for any of our favorite lefty media people who are whining about us being robbed lol
Thanks to likes of Ryan Grim, David Klion, Emma V, Sam Seder, TYT and other unity progressive liberals, Warren was laundered as an acceptable option through the summer and how it was good for the movement. I posted this link in the primary thread back in May but no one quoted it cause everyone was so excited about her gaining in the polls Elizabeth Warren decries big money in politics. Her campaign treasurer embodies it. – Center for Public Integrity
There was absolutely no real resistance to her campaign until the fall and by then it was too late. I'm not tryna be an a$$hole but anyone who did not oppose her from the start cannot be trusted to accurately diagnose what just happened. There isn't a single progressive media outlet or twitter person who comes out of this intact. They are all complicit.
These progressive organizations/media are completely swallowed by liberalism and their careers. The Bernie campaign itself inseparable from that left media and progressive activist complex. Bernie is just a guy at the top of it but the whole thing is very media/activist and that's the problem. This is exactly like Labour, these people are so disconnected with the base they so desperately want.
Part of the professional class left thinks that the next step is we grow DSA to 200k members then we go to South Carolina and tell them we need to Abolish ICE. Then we run AOC in 2032 and save the planet from climate change. Movement politics! We had no chance with older black voters and Virginia moderates but I’m not looking forward to the takes lol
No hard feelings though and still got love, It’ll be fun to get laughed at in news cycle after news cycle with y’all
I feel bad for Bernie but I don’t feel bad for any of our favorite lefty media people who are whining about us being robbed lol
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gangreen
Top Notch
Lowkey, Warren really hurt Bernie last night. As soon as Mayor Pete and Amy pulled and then the endorsements. Such a masterful move.
If u are a real progressive Warren, she should have seen the writing on the wall with Pete and Amy and pulled out and endorsed Bernie. Now all she took was an embarrassing defeat in Massachussetts and probably gave Biden the nomination. The progressive revolution took a backseat.
The delegate game is all about percentages and I gotta think Warren bit into a good chunk of Bernies vote totals.
Oh well, I'm behind Biden, would have liked Sanders just based on the energy but I guess it wasnt enough energy behind him.
Time to get behind Biden because Trump gotta go in 2020.
I dont think Bernie should drag this own past April at the latest.
Dont embarrass us again Joe
Let's soundly defeat Trump.
If u are a real progressive Warren, she should have seen the writing on the wall with Pete and Amy and pulled out and endorsed Bernie. Now all she took was an embarrassing defeat in Massachussetts and probably gave Biden the nomination. The progressive revolution took a backseat.
The delegate game is all about percentages and I gotta think Warren bit into a good chunk of Bernies vote totals.
Oh well, I'm behind Biden, would have liked Sanders just based on the energy but I guess it wasnt enough energy behind him.
Time to get behind Biden because Trump gotta go in 2020.
I dont think Bernie should drag this own past April at the latest.
Dont embarrass us again Joe
Let's soundly defeat Trump.
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afterlife2009
Superstar
One last thing, the answer is simple Zaid… Bernie had to win back the very liberal voters from Warren due to the plan war that the progressive media loved. That did so much damage when Bernie should’ve been consolidating his 2016 base. We always had a small window and instead of making the early left wing case against Biden, Bernie had to come up with plan after plan to satisfy the TYT progressives. Jacobin and Nathan Robinson were hyping it as well. I have screenshots lol
I like Naomi and others and no hard feelings but as you see below in the screenshots they were completely blind throughout the primary and are now telling us we were robbed by lol. Those aren't the only headlines. These people loved Warren gaining in the polls and all of a sudden are now calling for Warren to drop? It’s too late at this point for her to drop, Biden should be the nominee.
I’m going to repeatedly say this but this isn’t a Bernie problem but moreso an institutional problem with our supposed left wing that drive the narrative. I don't want to see any AOC for pres takes please.