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Bernie's running mate will be Nina Turner, current co-chair of his campaign.

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I definitely want Nina to be VP, would be the perfect pick
 

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That power combo :picard:
there's one problem. yang is more pro business and some what anti government outside of the "freedom Dividend".

There's a reason he was pushing M4A on his website and saying he agreed with it in spirit, but never really riding for it when asked. then only recently admitting he's not down with it. he wants a mayor pete like plan. medicare for all..."Who want it".... Nonsense.

he's made statements about the government in regards to bernie that I felt was on part with who i wondered he was. More in line with a business man type of mindset with some good sensibilities. Which is way better than Biden, Pete, other establishment dems. but not as good as Warren but close, and no where near as good as Sanders.
So them two together wont mesh because he doesnt believe in sanders full vision. even though sanders does agree with UBI in principal. sanders doesnt believe its the fix all that yang thinks or at least says it will be.

It is a combination of both ubi and sanders stuff to be honest. but i dont know if yang would be willing to bend or even learn why its not just about ubi and why the sanders approach which is nothing more than a FDR approach is best for where we are right now as a nation.

Sanders being so old even without the heart attack. needs to choose a VP that could become the pres if need be and also be groomed to become the president and to run and win it in the next election after sanders 4 years are up. not sure old man bern can last beyond that. even if he could i would still want his VP to be someone that people notices, likes, and believes they can get things done as well. not just be a stiff of a VP. so they can end up carrying us into the future with a presidential win for the progressives. we need a good 20 years of progessive lefty policies to move the needle back to the middle. thats about how long it will take.
 

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I get it, you went on strike after strike, you were in there fighting and you finally got a good healthcare plan that you could sign off on as a union worker. now the entire country is dumping priv insurance. thats like you did that work for nothing.

No its not. people are so selfish in their thinking they actually forget to ....THINK.

lets go 2 different routes with this.

route 1: If you negotiated to get paid $80,000 per year + A class Health benefits and thats what you have. and you had to give up $15,000 to get the healthcare.Which means if there was no healthcare to be had you would've been paid $95,000 per year and you would've had to go shop for your own healthcare. I'm just making the numbers up so do not try to do the math beyond the addition/subtraction we're talking about here. So as of right now this union worker gets paid $80k per year + A class Healthcare.

Bernie as president comes in and kicks out all private insurance. : This union worker still gets paid $80K + A class healthcare.

Let that sink in for a moment. ...................
So why are any union workers complaining in all reality? its that inner selfishness. "why they get to have something but i dont." thats all this is. union workers will not notice the difference. so to them they wont see the difference until their recent contracts are up and they no longer have to include healthcare apart of the negotiations/equation.

Notice above nothing changes for the at all. so they shouldnt have any actual ISSUES.


route 2: Bernie comes in as president, gets rid of priv insurance.
Union worker above would get paid $95,000 per year. Why? because all that would need to be done is this. Make the company pay to their workers what healthcare is costing the company. its that simple. if healthcare costs the company 15k per year. tell them to pay their employees 15k per year more since the union workers no longer need a business sponsored private insurance health plan.
 

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I get it, you went on strike after strike, you were in there fighting and you finally got a good healthcare plan that you could sign off on as a union worker. now the entire country is dumping priv insurance. thats like you did that work for nothing.

No its not. people are so selfish in their thinking they actually forget to ....THINK.

lets go 2 different routes with this.

route 1: If you negotiated to get paid $80,000 per year + A class Health benefits and thats what you have. and you had to give up $15,000 to get the healthcare.Which means if there was no healthcare to be had you would've been paid $95,000 per year and you would've had to go shop for your own healthcare. I'm just making the numbers up so do not try to do the math beyond the addition/subtraction we're talking about here. So as of right now this union worker gets paid $80k per year + A class Healthcare.

Bernie as president comes in and kicks out all private insurance. : This union worker still gets paid $80K + A class healthcare.

Let that sink in for a moment. ...................
So why are any union workers complaining in all reality? its that inner selfishness. "why they get to have something but i dont." thats all this is. union workers will not notice the difference. so to them they wont see the difference until their recent contracts are up and they no longer have to include healthcare apart of the negotiations/equation.

Notice above nothing changes for the at all. so they shouldnt have any actual ISSUES.


route 2: Bernie comes in as president, gets rid of priv insurance.
Union worker above would get paid $95,000 per year. Why? because all that would need to be done is this. Make the company pay to their workers what healthcare is costing the company. its that simple. if healthcare costs the company 15k per year. tell them to pay their employees 15k per year more since the union workers no longer need a business sponsored private insurance health plan.
Same type of people who don’t want student debt forgiven because they happened to be able to pay theirs off. Just pure narcissism.
 
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Same type of people who don’t want student debt forgiven because they happened to be able to pay theirs off. Just pure narcissism.


I paid mine off and still support cancelling student debt but the example rapbeats gave is even worse.

Employees paying for health insurance premiums now don't lose anything in M4A in comparison to other workers with employer paid benefits. The only ones affected are those currently uninsured.

You can at least make the argument that if you already paid back student loans, you're at a net loss in cost in comparison to someone who had their debt forgiven.

In the union comparison, their beef isn't with any real loss, but the prospect of others GAINING what they already possess. That goes beyond basic selfishness and enters into apathy for those without.

Somewhat ironic coming from union reps.

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I paid mine off and still support cancelling student debt but the example rapbeats gave is even worse.

Employees paying for health insurance premiums now don't lose anything in M4A in comparison to other workers with employer paid benefits. The only ones affected are those currently uninsured.

You can at least make the argument that if you already paid back student loans, you're at a net loss in cost in comparison to someone who had their debt forgiven.

In the union comparison, their beef isn't with any real loss, but the prospect of others GAINING what they already possess. That goes beyond basic selfishness and enters into apathy for those without.

Somewhat ironic coming from union reps.

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BINGO. This world is horrible. and people made it so. SMH all day and night. Wanna know why we cant have world peace? look right there. wanna know why we can't have nice things as a nation... there ya go right there. wanna know why its taken so long for america to even dream about M4A? too many different non white looking people to have that right.. look right there. that same bad, low key evil mentality has been destroying us for centuries.

Its the same people that dont have kids talking about why should they have to pay the same in property taxes as those with kids that go to local schools. uhh because the children are our future. that aint just a lyric in a song. its true. so whether or not you have them is irrelevant. no matter if you have kids are not, the kids of today will be running the nation of tomorrow when you're old, grey, and wearing diapers again. So even if you dont care about them and smart man would invest in his future.

you're a dude so you could care less about women's rights. as if we didnt all come out of a woman. As if woman are not pumping out the next workers, smart people, and more women that will pump out more workers and smart people. even if you dont care with a heart about these people. a smart man would again invest in his future.
Selfishness makes you dumb.
 

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Same type of people who don’t want student debt forgiven because they happened to be able to pay theirs off. Just pure narcissism.

Thats plain selfishness, and that Republican "bootstraps" nonsense. No other first-World country does this, but America,SMH
 

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Cool piece on Bernie's strong Iowa operation in the Des Moines Register.

Bernie Sanders campaign hoping superior Iowa organization, movement politics will bring victory

When U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders narrowly lost the Iowa caucuses in 2016, Patrick Bourgeacq Pinzón wondered if he could have done more to help.

He first heard the senator at a backyard event early in that cycle, where Bourgeacq Pinzón mistakenly thought he was going to hear from former U.S. Rep. Barney Frank. He left surprised at how much he agreed with Sanders on issues like combating climate change, raising the minimum wage, and universal health care.

He caucused for Sanders and phone banked for him "a little bit." Following Sanders' narrow loss in Iowa and losses in other states, Bourgeacq Pinzón decided that, yes, he should have done more.

"That made me decide that if I want my candidate to win, I need to work for him," Bourgeacq Pinzón, 55, said.

Now, when he leaves his job in international admissions at Drake University, he'll often knock on doors for a couple of hours. He phone banks more regularly. He volunteers at events and "just work those events wherever I'm needed."

Bourgeacq Pinzón's journey from curious to committed volunteer is one the Sanders campaign aims to emulate across Iowa. Sanders already has the firmest base in the field, according to the latest Des Moines Register/CNN/Mediacom Iowa Poll, even as he continues to jostle in third place. Now, the Sanders campaign is working to turn that enthusiastic base into caucus victory.

"We are the candidate who has a base," Sanders Iowa State Director Misty Rebik said. "Having a base is the most important thing for caucus night, because this isn't a primary, this isn't a vote. People can't just show up whenever and do it, right? You need an enthusiastic, excited, trained, disciplined, focused group of people who show up for you on caucus night. And that all starts with the committed base."

The campaign staffers say they are mobilizing that enthusiasm to expand their support: Sanders supporters have knocked on 110,000 doors in Iowa — including 22,000 the weekend before Thanksgiving — and made 3 million voter contact attempts in the state.

The campaign is also getting a boost with a "working and active endorsement" from the political wing of Iowa Citizens for Community Improvement, the state's largest progressive group. When CCI Action Fund communicates around issues it champions, such as fighting factory farms or rallying in favor of "Medicare for All," it will also promote Sanders as the candidate most aligned with the group's causes.

Campaign organizers aimed to have one volunteer at each of the 1,678 Iowa caucus precincts; after a flood of signups, the campaign upped its volunteer goal to 4,000, or more than two volunteers per precinct.

Rebik said they wanted to have people who understood the process on hand to help with potentially, and often inherently, chaotic events, as well as training to help folks who don't regularly participate in the caucus to understand it.

While cautioning that how these volunteers are used and organized is the ultimate key, Iowa political strategist Norm Sterzenbach said the effort has the potential to be "a hell of an operation that other campaigns will be envious of." Sterzenbach worked for Beto O'Rourke's Iowa campaign until the candidate dropped out in early November. He joined Amy Klobuchar's campaign after this interview.

Among likely Democratic caucusgoers who named Sanders as their top candidate in the November poll, 57% said their minds were made up. For comparison, 27% of November poll leader Pete Buttigieg's supporters said the same. It allows Sanders to focus on adding to his support, instead of splitting that effort with making sure supporters don't drift to other camps, Sterzenbach said.

"Sanders folks, I always believed would run through walls (for him), so they're going to go through walls," Sterzenbach said. "It's a good place to be in. I'd rather be in that place than some others. His challenge is growth, whereas the challenge for a (U.S. Sen. Elizabeth) Warren or a Buttigieg is about shoring up support."

That enthusiasm also puts Sanders on solid ground for caucus night, even if he doesn't grow his support significantly, Sterzenbach said. The 2008 Iowa caucuses hold the turnout record with about 240,000 participants. Even if 2020 tops that, a crowded field could make for thin margins to reach the 15% viability threshold at the precinct level. (Sterzenbach predicted the 2020 caucus turnout would be between 2016's 176,000 participants and 2008's record.)

Every campaign wants its support to peak on caucus night, but Sanders' support has a "steadiness" that could prove more valuable, Sterzenbach said.

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Supporters of Democratic presidential candidate U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., cheer during a campaign rally, Saturday, Nov., 9, 2019, at the Coralville Mariott Hotel and Conference Center, in Coralville, Iowa. (Photo: Joseph Cress/Iowa City Press-Citizen)

In an effort to turn that steady, enthusiastic base into additional supporters on caucus night, the campaign has leaned into "movement politics" style organizing. In short, it puts the daily issues people face first and backs into how the candidate will address them. The goal is to "demystify" politics and talk about how it and resulting policies affect their lives, Rebik said.

"We know over and over again you can talk about statistics until you're blue in the face all day long. That does not change people's minds and that does not change people's hearts," Rebik said.

Rebik's background in movement politics is something the campaign didn't have last time, current Sanders adviser and 2016 state director Pete D'Alessandro said. It's a strategy that relies on keeping enthusiasm stoked and supporters mobilized over the long-term, and not just around headcounts of support, he said.

D'Allessandro praised the 2016 team — after all, Sanders went from 6% support in a January 2015 Iowa Poll to 42% in the final Iowa Poll of that cycle a year later, and finished in a razor-thin second place with 49.6% caucus night support. But "we just didn't have enough people in the day-to-day of the campaign that understood movement politics," he said.

Rebik founded the Center for Worker Justice of Eastern Iowa. Part of her job was convincing people "to risk everything" and fight back against employers mistreating them, or stealing wages, she said. In contrast, she's now asking people to caucus — a less dramatic act but one where she stresses "everything is on the line."

"How do we raise the level of what's important, of what's at stake here?" Rebik said. "So that's what we're doing. we're helping people understand this isn't just another vote, it's not just another election. This is an unprecedented time in politics where we have to show up for what we believe in."
 

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those unions would be mad just like GM when their employer based insurance is taken away when they try to strike
 

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I get it, you went on strike after strike, you were in there fighting and you finally got a good healthcare plan that you could sign off on as a union worker. now the entire country is dumping priv insurance. thats like you did that work for nothing.

No its not. people are so selfish in their thinking they actually forget to ....THINK.

lets go 2 different routes with this.

route 1: If you negotiated to get paid $80,000 per year + A class Health benefits and thats what you have. and you had to give up $15,000 to get the healthcare.Which means if there was no healthcare to be had you would've been paid $95,000 per year and you would've had to go shop for your own healthcare. I'm just making the numbers up so do not try to do the math beyond the addition/subtraction we're talking about here. So as of right now this union worker gets paid $80k per year + A class Healthcare.

Bernie as president comes in and kicks out all private insurance. : This union worker still gets paid $80K + A class healthcare.

Let that sink in for a moment. ...................
So why are any union workers complaining in all reality? its that inner selfishness. "why they get to have something but i dont." thats all this is. union workers will not notice the difference. so to them they wont see the difference until their recent contracts are up and they no longer have to include healthcare apart of the negotiations/equation.

Notice above nothing changes for the at all. so they shouldnt have any actual ISSUES.


route 2: Bernie comes in as president, gets rid of priv insurance.
Union worker above would get paid $95,000 per year. Why? because all that would need to be done is this. Make the company pay to their workers what healthcare is costing the company. its that simple. if healthcare costs the company 15k per year. tell them to pay their employees 15k per year more since the union workers no longer need a business sponsored private insurance health plan.
its also like when the EMTs would be like, why should fast food get paid more than emts, not realizing, if the minimum wage goes up, you both now get 15 instead of emts getting 10/hr and fast food workers getting 7.50/hr, theyd rather not take the increased wages because it would mean they now make the same as a fast food worker and they wouldnt be able to look down on them anymore. not to even mention they could now negotiate for even more of a wage increase from a higher floor. of 15/hr, just such selfishness and ignorance of people
 
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