Official Bernie Sanders HQ: Not Me, Us!

[afterlife2009]

ironically i think foxnews is much fairer to bernie than cnn/msnbc , thats sad and should tell you something, shyt like this is why i could never get behind the democratic party like that, theyre marginally better than republicans,

you would be correct MSNBC did a number on his 50 and older demographic that he needs

• A new poll shows that Fox News viewers are more likely to support Sen. Bernie Sanders than those who typically get their news from MSNBC.
• Every other 2020 Democratic included in the poll had more support among MSNBC viewers than those who tend to watch Fox.

Fox News viewers are more likely to support Bernie Sanders than people who watch MSNBC

 

[wtfyomom]

you would be correct MSNBC did a number on his 50 and older demographic that he needs

Fox News viewers are more likely to support Bernie Sanders than people who watch MSNBC

cant make it up lol

 

[chico25]

By what measure are you determining that?

Elizabeth Warren has just one plan

That tells me she'll do great as Treasury Director or CFB Director. Remember Bernie Sanders moved an entire base and therefore party to the left. Made socialism an acceptable word again. Made UHC/M4A and Federal Jobs Guarantee recognizable and talked about policies.The frontrunners in the Democratic party are pushing socialist policies. That's leadership. It's why Amy Klobachaur, Michael Bennett, Mayor Pete, O'Rourke, Harris, and Booker are flailing. The establishment is as terrified of Bernie as Wall Street is terrified of Warren.

They both exude leadership qualities just in different ways.

Not to mention that Bernie has actual experience in the executive branch of a government as a Mayor for 8 years.

 

[King Kreole]

That tells me she'll do great as Treasury Director or CFB Director. Remember Bernie Sanders moved an entire base and therefore party to the left. Made socialism an acceptable word again. Made UHC/M4A and Federal Jobs Guarantee recognizable and talked about policies.The frontrunners in the Democratic party are pushing socialist policies. That's leadership. It's why Amy Klobachaur, Michael Bennett, Mayor Pete, O'Rourke, Harris, and Booker are flailing. The establishment is as terrified of Bernie as Wall Street is terrified of Warren.

They both exude leadership qualities just in different ways.

The "leadership" you're talking about with Bernie is very different from actual executive leadership. "Moving the party left" and "making socialism acceptable again" has nothing to do with firing or hiring staff. It has nothing to do with overseeing subordinates and holding their feet to the fire. It doesn't require one to make trade-off decisions. It has nothing to do with the nuances of being an effective leader of an actual administrative organization. Bernie's leadership strength is a pop-cultural figure, Warren's is as an executive.

There is nothing that leads me to believe Bernie would be more effective in spaces like these than Liz:

He's much more comfortable in front of a lectern making broad, sweeping moral statements to crowds than he would be in the Oval Office listening to a group of regulators discuss the nuances of how to most effectively dismantle the tech industry or how to close the loopholes in the current corporate tax structure. And to be sure, making those broad sweeping statements aka using the bully pulpit is a legitimate part of the job of President, and it's where Bernie would shine. But people think that's all the President does because that's the only part the public sees for the most part. But if we should learn anything from the Obama administration's fukkery, it's that the work that goes down when the spotlights and cameras are off is just as, if not more, important than the public-facing work. And that's where Liz laps everyone else. She's been there before. She knows how the sausage is made and which levers to push and pull to actually create change at the federal executive level.

Bernie knows something stinks, she knows where the bodies are buried.

Not to mention that Bernie has actual experience in the executive branch of a government as a Mayor for 8 years.

 

[wtfyomom]

I dont buy that Warren is auto somehow more executive, or when people say shes smart, nothing she says in the debates is smarter than Bernie, its around the same level of intellect. im sick of this class bias thats obviously going on. now maybe Warren is better, i honestly dont know and i can see an argument being made for either but this assumption i think is totally based on presentation and not at all on substance.

 

[King Kreole]

I dont buy that Warren is auto somehow more executive, or when people say shes smart, nothing she says in the debates is smarter than Bernie, its around the same level of intellect. im sick of this class bias thats obviously going on. now maybe Warren is better, i honestly dont know and i can see an argument being made for either but this assumption i think is totally based on presentation and not at all on substance.

It's literally based on the fact she has experience in creating an entire executive agency from the ground up that has a budget in the hundreds of millions and 1000+ staff, and Bernie...does not.

That Emily Tisch shythead arguing supporting Bernie over Warren is intrinsically sexist is garbage, but attempting to downplay Liz's achievements by arguing they're equivalent to being Mayor of Burlington does seem sexist, if not just plain idiotic. The correct pro-Bernie argument here is that moral vision and courage is more important than intelligence, not that Liz and Bernie are of equal intelligence or executive experience. She's clearly the most intelligent candidate in the race. But Mayor Pete is probably second, which shows you how intelligence is not the be all end all of evaluating who is fit to be President. Biden has just as much executive experience, if not more, than Liz, but he's totally unfit to hold the office, which shows you that executive experience is not the be all end all. Bernie would be better suited sticking to his strong suits (morality, consistency, abilities to inspire and activate, foreign policy, etc) than making up arguments about how he's just as good when it comes to executive experience or intelligence as other candidates.

 

[Oville]

It's literally based on the fact she has experience in creating an entire executive agency from the ground up that has a budget in the hundreds of millions and 1000+ staff, and Bernie...does not.

That Emily Tisch shythead arguing supporting Bernie over Warren is intrinsically sexist is garbage, but attempting to downplay Liz's achievements by arguing they're equivalent to being Mayor of Burlington does seem sexist, if not just plain idiotic. The correct pro-Bernie argument here is that moral vision and courage is more important than intelligence, not that Liz and Bernie are of equal intelligence or executive experience. She's clearly the most intelligent candidate in the race. But Mayor Pete is probably second, which shows you how intelligence is not the be all end all of evaluating who is fit to be President. Biden has just as much executive experience, if not more, than Liz, but he's totally unfit to hold the office, which shows you that executive experience is not the be all end all. Bernie would be better suited sticking to his strong suits (morality, consistency, abilities to inspire and activate, foreign policy, etc) than making up arguments about how he's just as good when it comes to executive experience or intelligence as other candidates.

Being a Mayor does provide execuyive experience though. And he was a popular and successful one

 

[King Kreole]

Being a Mayor does provide execuyive experience though. And he was a popular and successful one

It does, but it's like comparing running a local McDonalds franchise to being CEO of McDonalds Inc.

 

[Oville]

It does, but it's like comparing running a local McDonalds franchise to being CEO of McDonalds Inc.

I think your seriously underestimating the complexities of overseeing the administration of an entire city even if it is a relatively small one. Even moreso, being able to do so under an unabashed socialist platform and being successful at it.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

It does, but it's like comparing running a local McDonalds franchise to being CEO of McDonalds Inc.

So Warren was running a local McD franchise? Again what you just described is basically Warren would be great as a chief of staff. Which does exactly what you described.

I think your seriously underestimating the complexities of overseeing the administration of an entire city even if it is a relatively small one. Even moreso, being able to do so under an unabashed socialist platform and being successful at it.

Not only that but basically building up a department that falls right into her expertise. Which is much different than running a city with various moving parts, many of which you're unfamiliar with and have to learn and keep up with on the go.

 

[King Kreole]

I think your seriously underestimating the complexities of overseeing the administration of an entire city even if it is a relatively small one. Even moreso, being able to do so under an unabashed socialist platform and being successful at it.

Man, come on. Burlington has a population of 38,000 when Bernie was mayor 40 years ago. The executive highlights of his mayoral term were bringing a minor league baseball team to the city and improving the Lake Champlain waterfront. And this is evidence of his fitness to run the executive office of the Presidency of the United States of America? This is ridiculous. Buttigieg ran a city with a population of 100,000 and even his administrative qualifications are suspicious. The value and relevancy of Bernie's mayoral term are in the cultural leadership he showed with his identification as a socialist, not his executive actions as mayor.

 

[King Kreole]

So Warren was running a local McD franchise? Again what you just described is basically Warren would be great as a chief of staff. Which does exactly what you described.

Local McDonalds Franchise = Mayor of random city with 38K population 40 years ago.

CEO of McDonalds = Building new federal agency from the ground up with budget in hundreds of millions, returns in the billions, staff of 1000+, dealing directly with the office of the Presidency every day, within this decade.

Chief of Staff is more of an operational, limited position than what Liz did with CFPB and the strengths she has shown in the campaign. She has a cross-agency scope of vision. President is the position that maximizes her strengths. If anything, Bernie is perfectly suited for the office of VP, where he can leverage his strong traits (barnstorming across the country and building the moral case for the progressive movement, being a leftist voice in the room, etc), while not being bogged down with the daily minutiae and actual work that goes into being President. He's more Henry Wallace, Liz is more FDR.

 

[PoorAndDangerous]

Man, come on. Burlington has a population of 38,000 when Bernie was mayor 40 years ago. The executive highlights of his mayoral term were bringing a minor league baseball team to the city and improving the Lake Champlain waterfront. And this is evidence of his fitness to run the executive office of the Presidency of the United States of America? This is ridiculous. Buttigieg ran a city with a population of 100,000 and even his administrative qualifications are suspicious. The value and relevancy of Bernie's mayoral term are in the cultural leadership he showed with his identification as a socialist, not his executive actions as mayor.

Presidents don't micro manage bureaucracy

 

[afterlife2009]

lol at those highlights and not mentioning that Bernie had a revolutionary housing policy as a mayor that made lives easier for thousands of people

and still working to this day

 

[King Kreole]

Presidents don't micro manage bureaucracy

They do manage bureaucracy. It's a bureaucratic, administrative position. A lot of people confuse the President for an emperor who just make a declaration and sits back while their minions do the work to get it done, which is how Trump runs his administration, leading to mass dysfunction. An effective use of the office, especially in this era of executive power, requires a more in-depth executive who understands the bureaucratic ins-and-outs of the office and the entire executive branch. There are a lot of people who have taken the wrong lesson from the Obama Administration's failures: that being a good, effective President isn't actually hard or doesn't actually require intelligence, you just have to want the right things to happen, you just have to be a progressive instead of a neoliberal. It's an insane, and potentially deadly, misreading of history and symbolizes the fear of actually wielding real power.