Yeah warren gets credit for finger waving, if she’s president in 08 does she prosecute anyone ? I doubt it, would she even in Public suggest they should be prosecuted like Bernie did with oil executives?
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King Kreole
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lol she publicly came out for jailing execs before Bernie did. And not just oil execs, execs in all industries, making them personally, criminally liable for the bad actions of the companies they run. She's also come out for prosecuting Trump immigration officials.
storyteller
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure both Clinton and Bernie included that idea in 2016...Bernie's 2016 campaign is the "Simpsons did it first" of this cycle. I'll repeat though, I don't think it's that big a deal who came to these ideas and policies first as long as they arrive at the right policy. I just think it shows how little depth Bernie's actual proposals got in coverage last cycle, he was talking about these ideas and built a ton of steam doing so but a TON of people didn't get any exposure to the proposals at all because the media which should have informed us all on it just wasn't interested in talking about any of it.
same thing is happening now, we hear about warrens half measure plans, where is it all over the news that bernie wants to cancel all student loan dent or medical debt? where is his housing plan on the news or his green new deal, or the criminal justic reform bill ? but warren types a paragraph on social media and its plastered everywhere as this great plan. thats why i dont buy like cenk saying oh warren went up cause of her proposals , no warren went up cause the media ballwashed her, if it was all about proposals then bernie would be leading by a mile, and i wouldnt say the media is disinterested, its calculated imo and also they dont take it seriously its scoffed at
something else i thought of, supposedly the progressive litmus test was medicare for all , or single payer essentially, and not taking big money, warren checks neither box, why is she being labeled progressive,? cause she wagged her finger at bank execs in 09?
ironically i think foxnews is much fairer to bernie than cnn/msnbc , thats sad and should tell you something, shyt like this is why i could never get behind the democratic party like that, theyre marginally better than republicans, but i cant be out here flag waving trash like the democrats just for being slightly better than Nazi's. but my guess is foxnews thinks theyre showing their viewers all bernies plans and they will think its so socialistic that it scares them off, almost like when they put AOCs platform up and she said, oh thanks fox this should be my campaign ad, or whatever. negative press and most importantly getting the message out is better than being ignored like bernie is on the democratic side of mainstream media. and if they do cover him to shyt on him, they dont bring up his policy to do it
afterlife2009
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CFPB got gutted due to politicians bribed with corporate money, the same corporate money she is going to take in the general
I'm growing more and more irritated with her everyday because the media is giving her the red carpet treatment. The WaPo compared her selfie lines to Frederick Douglass lol. Her website makes no mention of single payer and talks about private insurance. She's been changing her narrative on M4A for months -- either because she doesn't support it or because she doesn't know how to message it. But my thing is though when a politician hedges on something, they don't actually support it. Yeah it's not gonna pass in the first four years but let's at least have someone who knows how to talk about it
All the very serious libs that said there’s no real difference between the two are gonna flip if she wins the nomination and claim that Bernie’s ideas were rejected.
btw The Working Families Party ratfukking woke the campaign up and is gonna move it in the right direction.
CFPB got gutted due to politicians bribed with corporate money, the same corporate money she is going to take in the general
I'm growing more and more irritated with her everyday because the media is giving her the red carpet treatment. The WaPo compared her selfie lines to Frederick Douglass lol. Her website makes no mention of single payer and talks about private insurance. She's been changing her narrative on M4A for months -- either because she doesn't support it or because she doesn't know how to message it. But my thing is though when a politician hedges on something, they don't actually support it. Yeah it's not gonna pass in the first four years but let's at least have someone who knows how to talk about it
All the very serious libs that said there’s no real difference between the two are gonna flip if she wins the nomination and claim that Bernie’s ideas were rejected.
btw The Working Families Party ratfukking woke the campaign up and is gonna move it in the right direction.
CFPB got gutted due to Trump administration and Mulvaney
storyteller
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I've been beating this drum heavy. The last debate, they talked about environmental plans with almost everyone but skipped Bernie who only has the most ambitious plan out of anyone in the race. It's the same for the criminal justice reform bill and the housing plan. Those plans just need exposure and I think a lot of people will say "that sounds really good" but it would dispel the idea that Bernie doesn't have plans. This is beyond frustrating but you can see just delving into the stickied Primary thread that even well informed voters haven't seen much of what Bernie's offering and they certainly haven't seen it detailed.
I actually disagree with this one. I think Warren DID pop because of her proposals. But the difference between her and Bernie is that those proposals got coverage and were pumped up as "look at all this detail" while Bernie's proposals don't get the media coverage. Even when Bernie's plans did see light, it was always framed in the lowest common denominator (the Republican framing). Warren only saw those frames after she gained traction but it was too late. People had seen the plans and realized they were good ideas. That's why I like to bring up how Bernie 2016 is a big comparable to Warren 2020, the Bernie plans were attacked but now that they've been revisited in a fair light, they look fantastic to the same establishment heads that went full Chicken Little about that ish last time. It's definitely calculated how this stuff is covered imo and Warren is gonna run into more negative press now imo...it's just probably too late. Once people see the concepts in full without a bunch of BS attached, they realize the ideas are good.
This is best exuded by the wealth tax BS. Warren's wealth tax universally admired and polled excellently; Bernie's a bridge too far and covered as "he wants Billionaires dead" as opposed to what he really means which is "concentrations of power and wealth like a billionaire are systemic failures in this new Gilded Age of inequality."
AnonymityX1000
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Bernie is giving her cool points. He props her up as a Progressive by acting like they are such good friends. I love Bernie he is a genuine American hero but he is also just too nice to his colleagues even ones he is competing against. And even that I love about him but strategically it can be counter productive.
storyteller
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Correct me if I'm wrong too, but didn't Warren jump into a Congressional race only after the powers that be refused to let her head up the CFPB under Obama? They may still take that trade off, but now that she might be the next president I wonder if anyone regrets that move.
afterlife2009
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yes bc they are beholden to the people that wanted it gutted lol mulvaney is a wall street stooge
Correct but she had say in who would run it.
storyteller
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Relatively speaking, she represents a more progressive candidacy than any contender we've seen besides Bernie. I truly believe her plans would be transformative in a number of areas, though I do subscribe to Bernie being a better option by a decent margin. Warren would move us left though and she's well to the left of Democratic norms.