Official 2020 Democratic Primary Debate Thread

[chico25]

What pundits? Please provide what ur talking about.

First you said Medicare for all pays for everything. I proved that was a lie.

Then you said Medicare offers more than commercial insurance plans. I proved that was a lie.

Then you said Canada had universal coverage. They do, but not 100% full coverage. Again another lie.

Now your saying Canadian pundits say our proposed system is better than they ones they have.

Is this another lie sir? You keep juelzing until you can find something that sticks. Why anyone would dap your posts when u obviously have zero idea what ur talking about is crazy.

Every synopsis “pie in the sky” plan you say we’re getting is wrong.

Why is it so hard for u to admit you just dk what you’re talking about or how all of this works?

I never mentioned Canadian coverage until my last post. You kept bringing them up to make the claim that Medicare for all would have the same limitations in order to claim that it would be worse than private insurance. You continue to compare current Medicare coverage to the supplemental plans that people enroll in to cover the current gaps. You never directly address what is covered in the bill other than to say that the phrase "medically necessary" means that people will left without coverage without actually showing that people are currently being covered for these things under private insurance. You keep dodging the fact that people are being denied coverage under private insurance plans currently and aren't addressing how that could be fixed.

You claim you proved things that you haven't.

 

[Pressure]

the republicans tore each other to shreds last time and then still took over the whole government. all this is, when they say stop the infighting, is stop attacking our anointed centrists like biden and kamala. they wouldnt be saying any of that if it was all attacks on bernie

Leftists spent all of 2016-2018 saying dems lost in 2016 because they spent too much time attacking Trump and not talking policy.

This heel turn is just

 

[Warren Moon]

I never mentioned Canadian coverage until my last post. You kept bringing them up to make the claim that Medicare for all would have the same limitations in order to claim that it would be worse than private insurance. You continue to compare current Medicare coverage to the supplemental plans that people enroll in to cover the current gaps. You never directly address what is covered in the bill other than to say that the phrase "medically necessary" means that people will left without coverage without actually showing that people are currently being covered for these things under private insurance. You keep dodging the fact that people are being denied coverage under private insurance plans currently and aren't addressing how that could be fixed.

You claim you proved things that you haven't.

Medicare advantage isn’t a fukking supplemental plan.

I literally provided u with the link.

Medicare advantage = privately ran by insurance companies. Less out of pocket costs and more coverage.

Medicare = ran by government. No Max on out of pocket plans.

U have no concept on anything you’re talking about

You’re talking in circles. It’s a direct competitor to Medicare. Medicare advantage is Gaining tons of traction because seniors save more money!


How Original Medicare, Medicare Advantage differ | bcbsm.com

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Private insurance covers more than Medicare currently. Is that a fact or not???

Please post any facts about “supposed” Canadian pundit praising “Medicare for all”


Insurance denials are seen in the Medicare and private industry.

 

[chico25]

Medicare advantage isn’t a fukking supplemental plan.

I literally provided u with the link.

Medicare advantage = privately ran by insurance companies. Less out of pocket costs and more coverage.

Medicare = ran by government. No Max on out of pocket plans.

U have no concept on anything you’re talking about

You’re talking in circles. It’s a direct competitor to Medicare. Medicare advantage is Gaining tons of traction because seniors save more money!


How Original Medicare, Medicare Advantage differ | bcbsm.com

Google Image Result for https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/2052-22-Figure-1.png

Private insurance covers more than Medicare currently. Is that a fact or not???

Please post any facts about “supposed” Canadian pundit praising “Medicare for all”


Insurance denials are seen in the Medicare and private industry.

Medicare advantage is literally an addition to Medicare to cover the gaps that we agree exist now. I never disagreed that some private insurance plams cover more than current Medicare. My argument is that the Medicare for all bill will cover more than current Medicare and private insurance plans.

How do Medicare Advantage Plans work? | Medicare

How do Medicare Advantage Plans work?

Medicare Advantage Plans, sometimes called "Part C" or "MA Plans," are an “all in one” alternative to Original Medicare. They are offered by private companies approved by Medicare. If you join a Medicare Advantage Plan, you still have
Medicare is the federal health insurance program for:

• People who are 65 or older
• Certain younger people with disabilities
• People with End-Stage Renal Disease (permanent kidney failure requiring dialysis or a transplant, sometimes called ESRD)

" class="inline hover" style="color: rgb(15, 15, 15); text-decoration-line: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted; cursor: help !important;">Medicare. These "bundled" plans include Part A covers inpatient hospital stays, care in a skilled nursing facility, hospice care, and some home health care.

" class="inline hover" style="color: rgb(15, 15, 15); text-decoration-line: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted; cursor: help !important;">Medicare Part A (Hospital Insurance) and Part B covers certain doctors' services, outpatient care, medical supplies, and preventive services.

" class="inline hover" style="color: rgb(15, 15, 15); text-decoration-line: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted; cursor: help !important;">Medicare Part B (Medical Insurance), and usually Medicare prescription drug (Part D).

 

[chico25]

Medicare advantage isn’t a fukking supplemental plan.

I literally provided u with the link.

Medicare advantage = privately ran by insurance companies. Less out of pocket costs and more coverage.

Medicare = ran by government. No Max on out of pocket plans.

U have no concept on anything you’re talking about

You’re talking in circles. It’s a direct competitor to Medicare. Medicare advantage is Gaining tons of traction because seniors save more money!


How Original Medicare, Medicare Advantage differ | bcbsm.com

Google Image Result for https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/2052-22-Figure-1.png

Private insurance covers more than Medicare currently. Is that a fact or not???

Please post any facts about “supposed” Canadian pundit praising “Medicare for all”


Insurance denials are seen in the Medicare and private industry.

Medicare advantage is literally an addition to Medicare to cover the gaps that we agree exist now. I never disagreed that some private insurance plams cover more than current Medicare. My argument is that the Medicare for all bill will cover more than current Medicare and private insurance plans.

How do Medicare Advantage Plans work? | Medicare

How do Medicare Advantage Plans work?

Medicare Advantage Plans, sometimes called "Part C" or "MA Plans," are an “all in one” alternative to Original Medicare. They are offered by private companies approved by Medicare. If you join a Medicare Advantage Plan, you still have
Medicare is the federal health insurance program for:

• 
  
  
  • People who are 65 or older
  • Certain younger people with disabilities
  • People with End-Stage Renal Disease (permanent kidney failure requiring dialysis or a transplant, sometimes called ESRD)

" class="inline hover" style="color: rgb(15, 15, 15); text-decoration-line: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted; cursor: help !important;">Medicare. These "bundled" plans include Part A covers inpatient hospital stays, care in a skilled nursing facility, hospice care, and some home health care.

" class="inline hover" style="color: rgb(15, 15, 15); text-decoration-line: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted; cursor: help !important;">Medicare Part A (Hospital Insurance) and Part B covers certain doctors' services, outpatient care, medical supplies, and preventive services.

" class="inline hover" style="color: rgb(15, 15, 15); text-decoration-line: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted; cursor: help !important;">Medicare Part B (Medical Insurance), and usually Medicare prescription drug (Part D).

Additional provisions actually in the bill:

(b) Revision And Adjustment.—The Secretary shall, on a regular basis, evaluate whether the benefits package should be improved or adjusted to promote the health of beneficiaries, account for changes in medical practice or new information from medical research, or respond to other relevant developments in health science, and shall make recommendations to Congress regarding any such improvements or adjustments.

(c) Complementary And Integrative Medicine.—

(1) IN GENERAL.—In carrying out subsection (b), the Secretary shall consult with the persons described in paragraph (1) with respect to—

(A) identifying specific complementary and integrative medicine practices that, on the basis of research findings or promising clinical interventions, are appropriate to include in the benefits package; and

(B) identifying barriers to the effective provision and integration of such practices into the delivery of health care, and identifying mechanisms for overcoming such barriers.

 

[Warren Moon]

Medicare advantage is literally an addition to Medicare to cover the gaps that we agree exist now. I never disagreed that some private insurance plams cover more than current Medicare. My argument is that the Medicare for all bill will cover more than current Medicare and private insurance plans.

How do Medicare Advantage Plans work? | Medicare

How do Medicare Advantage Plans work?

Medicare Advantage Plans, sometimes called "Part C" or "MA Plans," are an “all in one” alternative to Original Medicare. They are offered by private companies approved by Medicare. If you join a Medicare Advantage Plan, you still have
Medicare is the federal health insurance program for:

• 
  
  
  • People who are 65 or older
  • Certain younger people with disabilities
  • People with End-Stage Renal Disease (permanent kidney failure requiring dialysis or a transplant, sometimes called ESRD)

" class="inline hover" style="color: rgb(15, 15, 15); text-decoration-line: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted; cursor: help !important;">Medicare. These "bundled" plans include Part A covers inpatient hospital stays, care in a skilled nursing facility, hospice care, and some home health care.

" class="inline hover" style="color: rgb(15, 15, 15); text-decoration-line: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted; cursor: help !important;">Medicare Part A (Hospital Insurance) and Part B covers certain doctors' services, outpatient care, medical supplies, and preventive services.

" class="inline hover" style="color: rgb(15, 15, 15); text-decoration-line: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted; cursor: help !important;">Medicare Part B (Medical Insurance), and usually Medicare prescription drug (Part D).

Naw nikka. You flat out wrong.

It literally says alternative in your post

alternative

noun
Definition of alternative (Entry 2 of 2)

1a: a proposition or situation offering a choice between two or more things only one of which may be chosen

 

[wtfyomom]

Leftists spent all of 2016-2018 saying dems lost in 2016 because they spent too much time attacking Trump and not talking policy.

This heel turn is just

"attacking" each other on policy isnt attacking trump though. idk maybe im misunderstanding you. i dont get how its a different argument from 2016. Dems say dont "attack" our beloved centrists, and by attack they mean just bringing up their shytty policy. and they say we will lose to trump because of that, they just want biden and kamala to spit their platitudes, have nobody question it so that we dont give trump ammo or some shyt

 

[chico25]

Naw nikka. You flat out wrong.

It literally says alternative in your post

alternative

noun
Definition of alternative (Entry 2 of 2)

1a: a proposition or situation offering a choice between two or more things only one of which may be chosen

It also says that if you get Medicare advantage you still have Medicare. It's a Medicare approved plan that includes medicare benefits in addition to private insurance benefits, that is by definition supplementing Medicare, not replacing it.

Let's talk about the original point, private insurance versus Medicare for all. With private insurance you pay a payroll tax for Medicare as well as a premium to your insurance company. You have a deductible that you have to meet before the insurance company starts to cover most things and even after meeting that deductible you still pay out of pocket for services, if the insurance company covers them at all. With Medicare for all the only thing you pay is the payroll tax for Medicare which means no payments necessary for any covered procedure. Your main argument has been about the possibility of rare instances of things not being covered that may come up in the future. You are ignoring the current reality of millions of people with no health insurance at all and the millions more with cheap low level plans that barely cover anything. You act as though we currently have a great system and Medicare for all would ruin it.

 

[wtfyomom]

It also says that if you get Medicare advantage you still have Medicare. It's a Medicare approved plan that includes medicare benefits in addition to private insurance benefits, that is by definition supplementing Medicare, not replacing it.

Let's talk about the original point, private insurance versus Medicare for all. With private insurance you pay a payroll tax for Medicare as well as a premium to your insurance company. You have a deductible that you have to meet before the insurance company starts to cover most things and even after meeting that deductible you still pay out of pocket for services, if the insurance company covers them at all. With Medicare for all the only thing you pay is the payroll tax for Medicare which means no payments necessary for any covered procedure. Your main argument has been about the possibility of rare instances of things not being covered that may come up in the future. You are ignoring the current reality of millions of people with no health insurance at all and the millions more with cheap low level plans that barely cover anything. You act as though we currently have a great system and Medicare for all would ruin it.

i would think dude worked in the health insurance industry with how hard hes going with the propaganda

 

[Warren Moon]

It also says that if you get Medicare advantage you still have Medicare. It's a Medicare approved plan that includes medicare benefits in addition to private insurance benefits, that is by definition supplementing Medicare, not replacing it.

Let's talk about the original point, private insurance versus Medicare for all. With private insurance you pay a payroll tax for Medicare as well as a premium to your insurance company. You have a deductible that you have to meet before the insurance company starts to cover most things and even after meeting that deductible you still pay out of pocket for services, if the insurance company covers them at all. With Medicare for all the only thing you pay is the payroll tax for Medicare which means no payments necessary for any covered procedure. Your main argument has been about the possibility of rare instances of things not being covered that may come up in the future. You are ignoring the current reality of millions of people with no health insurance at all and the millions more with cheap low level plans that barely cover anything. You act as though we currently have a great system and Medicare for all would ruin it.

i would think dude worked in the health insurance industry with how hard hes going with the propaganda

Naw there’s plenty of democrats not down for Medicare for all. That eliminates choice. Which as an African American, an elimination of choice 9/10 hurts us in this country. Redlining, segregation, etc

The biggest thing I have against it is the “idealism” ppl have for when Democrats are in control.

Republicans are going to be diabolical on what we can and can’t get. I don’t want my healthcare solely dictated by them, which inevitably will happen.

Idk why ppl don’t think about the bad things that will happen, when the bad ppl get control.


Which ALWAYS happens, we will not always be in power. Y’all see who’s President now? They don’t give a shyt.

Medicare for all under republican control would be a nightmare for black ppl. And we would have nothing to fight them with bc it would be illegal to do so. ILLEGAL

Why is this line of thinking seen as bad? They’re putting children in fukking cages and y’all want them to decide everything about your healthcare.


fukk THAT!

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

At the end of the day this debate was another lost opportunity for Bernie to standout and shine.

 

[wtfyomom]

Naw there’s plenty of democrats not down for Medicare for all. That eliminates choice. Which as an African American, an elimination of choice 9/10 hurts us in this country. Redlining, segregation, etc

The biggest thing I have against it is the “idealism” ppl have for when Democrats are in control.

Republicans are going to be diabolical on what we can and can’t get. I don’t want my healthcare solely dictated by them, which inevitably will happen.

Idk why ppl don’t think about the bad things that will happen, when the bad ppl get control.


Which ALWAYS happens, we will not always be in power. Y’all see who’s President now? They don’t give a shyt.

Medicare for all under republican control would be a nightmare for black ppl. And we would have nothing to fight them with bc it would be illegal to do so. ILLEGAL

Why is this line of thinking seen as bad? They’re putting children in fukking cages and y’all want them to decide everything about your healthcare.


fukk THAT!

dude i definitely DO NOT think everything is great jut cause dems are in charge, i think theyre marginally better than repubs thats about it, when it comes to healthcare, i dont buy the idea of choice, well lets see i dont want my heart covered but i want my lungs covered, that makes no sense. im sure medicare for all , like every other system will not be perfect, the issue i think those who disagree with you are having is , our system currently is a shyt show, you cant get worse. 35k people die a year for lack of basic healthcare, its 0 in other countries, also we pay double for worse care. and also, when literally every other country does it, major country that is, and they spend way less and heave better outcomes, i dont get the fear mongering. repubs now can fukk you over with healthcare.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

I say again how much is the health insurance industrial complex paying you you fukking Trot?

 

[Warren Moon]

dude i definitely DO NOT think everything is great jut cause dems are in charge, i think theyre marginally better than repubs thats about it, when it comes to healthcare, i dont buy the idea of choice, well lets see i dont want my heart covered but i want my lungs covered, that makes no sense. im sure medicare for all , like every other system will not be perfect, the issue i think those who disagree with you are having is , our system currently is a shyt show, you cant get worse. 35k people die a year for lack of basic healthcare, its 0 in other countries, also we pay double for worse care. and also, when literally every other country does it, major country that is, and they spend way less and heave better outcomes, i dont get the fear mongering. repubs now can fukk you over with healthcare.

your example of what choice is is wrong. Ppl think it’s extreme examples like heart or lungs (that’s covered) but it’s the small stuff.

Yes they can fukk us over now. But not completely fukk is over, we have an option (a shytty option yes) to not have them control our medical treatments.

You give them 100% control and they can legally fukk us way way way worse. The problems you have now will pale in comparison to what will happen. And you have NO recourse. You can’t do shyt about it, nothing at all.

You really trust those ppl to do you right, when every action you’ve seen them try to pull is to your detriment.


WHY DO YOU WANT TO HAND THEM THE KEYS TO YOUR LIFE?


That’s crazy to me.

These People have tried everything they can to keep you poor, unhealthy, uneducated (their actions have never changed) and now you’re willing to sign over what you can and can’t get at the doctor . They deserve to fukk us over if y’all willing to do that dumb stuff.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

You’re really still trying to make a dishonest argument over what “medically necessary” means?

Maybe you’re a troll?