B. Pumpaveli
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Biden is a fukking mess 
Official 2020 Democratic Primary Debate Thread
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JoogJoint
In my own league.
Interesting how the black presenter framed the El Paso white supremacist attack as an attack on black people and people of color, while the Latino presenter didn't use that "People of Color" term, and only asked about what they will do for Latinos.
Just an observation about our "POC allies"
I find it disrespectful to even ask about Latinos and illegals at an HBCU anyways.
smh at biden, should we laugh or cry. lets get rid of everyone and just have bernie and warren discuss serious policy the rest of the way, of course that wont happen, we gotta have 7 other clowns on the stage and biden losing his mind, i think i hate kloubuchour the most, who the fukk wanted her to run? the establishment anointed her as a sleeper pick and now she has to stay in as long as possible
I’m not ignorant to the viability of passing it now. But like many of our issues, the solutions are there and easy to see. The political system won’t allow the citizenry to have nice things like a national healthcare system.
But the facts are there. We are already spending the money for single payer.
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Interesting article by NPR today -
NPR Choice page
5 Questions Answered About The 3rd Democratic Debate
This is not the entire article but are some interesting poll numbers within the article -
A universal basic income of $1,000 a month to stave off the effects of automation — 27% good idea, 66% bad idea
This is an idea exclusive to entrepreneur Andrew Yang. When Yang offered to hold a competition to give money to 10 contestants, there was a dismissive laugh from California Sen. Kamala Harris and a side-eyed dismissal from Buttigieg.
Providing reparations for slavery — 27%/62%
Former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke forcefully said he was in favor of reparations, but his was the only mention of it in the debate. Previously, other candidates have essentially side-stepped the issue, mostly saying they're in favor of commissions to study the subject.
Decriminalizing illegal border crossings — 27%/66%
This was a flashpoint between former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julián Castro and O'Rourke in a previous debate, but it did not come up Thursday night. Castro touted that he would get a comprehensive immigration overhaul bill done in his first 100 days, and Warren noted that she wanted a "path to citizenship that is fair and achievable." That position is much more popular – 64% said it was a good idea to provide a path to citizenship for people in the U.S. illegally.
Health insurance for immigrants in the U.S. illegally — 33%/62%
This was another flashpoint in an earlier debate, but not Thursday. Instead, mentioned more often were Dreamers, people who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children. Giving them citizenship is a far more popular policy issue than health insurance for those in the country illegally. Warren and O'Rourke did argue for Dreamers' relatives to also get citizenship, but it's not clear whether that's popular with voters.
Abolishing the death penalty — 36%/58%
This didn't come up Thursday night. Criminal justice reform, yes, something President Trump has pursued. The death penalty – no.
Medicare for All as a replacement to the current health care system — 41%/54%
This was the major subject of the night. Nothing creates a debate within the Democratic Party quite like health care. That's because it routinely ranks as the top issue for Democrats, and their candidates have given it quite a bit of thought over the years. If the individual mandate was the health care debate point of the 2008 campaign between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, Medicare for All is this year's.
And, as noted earlier, Sanders and Warren were left on their own to defend it, mostly from Biden, Klobuchar and Buttigieg. By the way, Medicare for All as an option, rather than replacement, is far more popular – 70% of Americans think it's a good idea.
NPR Choice page
5 Questions Answered About The 3rd Democratic Debate
This is not the entire article but are some interesting poll numbers within the article -
A universal basic income of $1,000 a month to stave off the effects of automation — 27% good idea, 66% bad idea
This is an idea exclusive to entrepreneur Andrew Yang. When Yang offered to hold a competition to give money to 10 contestants, there was a dismissive laugh from California Sen. Kamala Harris and a side-eyed dismissal from Buttigieg.
Providing reparations for slavery — 27%/62%
Former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke forcefully said he was in favor of reparations, but his was the only mention of it in the debate. Previously, other candidates have essentially side-stepped the issue, mostly saying they're in favor of commissions to study the subject.
Decriminalizing illegal border crossings — 27%/66%
This was a flashpoint between former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julián Castro and O'Rourke in a previous debate, but it did not come up Thursday night. Castro touted that he would get a comprehensive immigration overhaul bill done in his first 100 days, and Warren noted that she wanted a "path to citizenship that is fair and achievable." That position is much more popular – 64% said it was a good idea to provide a path to citizenship for people in the U.S. illegally.
Health insurance for immigrants in the U.S. illegally — 33%/62%
This was another flashpoint in an earlier debate, but not Thursday. Instead, mentioned more often were Dreamers, people who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children. Giving them citizenship is a far more popular policy issue than health insurance for those in the country illegally. Warren and O'Rourke did argue for Dreamers' relatives to also get citizenship, but it's not clear whether that's popular with voters.
Abolishing the death penalty — 36%/58%
This didn't come up Thursday night. Criminal justice reform, yes, something President Trump has pursued. The death penalty – no.
Medicare for All as a replacement to the current health care system — 41%/54%
This was the major subject of the night. Nothing creates a debate within the Democratic Party quite like health care. That's because it routinely ranks as the top issue for Democrats, and their candidates have given it quite a bit of thought over the years. If the individual mandate was the health care debate point of the 2008 campaign between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, Medicare for All is this year's.
And, as noted earlier, Sanders and Warren were left on their own to defend it, mostly from Biden, Klobuchar and Buttigieg. By the way, Medicare for All as an option, rather than replacement, is far more popular – 70% of Americans think it's a good idea.
^yup whoever is the candidate is going to need to shift to the middle on some of these issues.
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Not sure how accurate these poll numbers are, but if they are anywhere near accurate, these candidates are shooting way off
Like Lonzo Ball jumper off
What pundits? Please provide what ur talking about.
First you said Medicare for all pays for everything. I proved that was a lie.
Then you said Medicare offers more than commercial insurance plans. I proved that was a lie.
Then you said Canada had universal coverage. They do, but not 100% full coverage. Again another lie.
Now your saying Canadian pundits say our proposed system is better than they ones they have.
Is this another lie sir? You keep juelzing until you can find something that sticks. Why anyone would dap your posts when u obviously have zero idea what ur talking about is crazy.
Every synopsis “pie in the sky” plan you say we’re getting is wrong.
Why is it so hard for u to admit you just dk what you’re talking about or how all of this works?
dems are so fuccking naive.
the fact that we keep hearing phrases like "if you cant take low blows, or if u cant do this or that, how are you going to go against trump", tells me all i need to know about where this election is heading. comments like this are indirectly elevating Trump to this Godlike status. I really wish Democrats will learn the art of successfully cutting down an opponent.
u cant talk about trump in any way that makes him look good. at all. repeat phrases like a "he's a trust fund baby who thinks he's a billionaire".
the fact that we keep hearing phrases like "if you cant take low blows, or if u cant do this or that, how are you going to go against trump", tells me all i need to know about where this election is heading. comments like this are indirectly elevating Trump to this Godlike status. I really wish Democrats will learn the art of successfully cutting down an opponent.
u cant talk about trump in any way that makes him look good. at all. repeat phrases like a "he's a trust fund baby who thinks he's a billionaire".
the republicans tore each other to shreds last time and then still took over the whole government. all this is, when they say stop the infighting, is stop attacking our anointed centrists like biden and kamala. they wouldnt be saying any of that if it was all attacks on bernie
People need to watch those 2016 GOP Debates. They were a fukking shid show.
Biden is a fukking mess
I swear his dentures almost fell out while he was talking
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There is zero empirical evidence that shows intra-party fighting somehow helps the other side. There isn't a causal relationship between public disagreement among democrats and electoral gains made by republicans. It's always said on here as a fact without evidence
The 2016 GOP primary where Trump’s opps called him a fraud and serial liar gave him the presidency. the 2010 Tea Party primaries were vicious and handed the Republicans the house. the bitter Clinton/Obama contest gave Obama 8 years.
There are real differences that will surface sometimes in these debates and thats ok.