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The Fukin Prophecy

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Establishment got to be watching these debates like :beli:every time Biden speaks...

Biden clearly don't have the energy for the job anymore, he looks physically fragile like he's barely able to stand and the foot in mouth disease appears to have gotten worse...

Their backup plan was clearly officer biracial Hillary who hasn't been able to recover since Tulsi exposed her fugazi nature...
 

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I think Castro OD’es on the forget thing...I’m kinda sensitive to that because my grandma had Alzheimer’s and it’s not funny or something to joke abiut. while I don’t want a pres with Alzheimer’s, Biden just might be on the path and people throwing shots like that is kinda fukked up
it’s fukked up but trump will feast on him with this. they can’t focus purely on this cause clearly the other side doesn’t give a fukk
 

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3 Ways Bernie-Care Makes Canadian Healthcare Look Good in Comparison | Ryan McMaken

Good article to understand it


In the current state Medicare Advantage ran by health plans covers more than Medicare.


Canada doesn’t cover experimental treatments


Since the beginning, the Canada Health Act, including its subsequent revised versions, places much of the control over healthcare coverage at the provincial level. In other words, the "details of how each system operates, including what is covered and how, is determined provincially."

The federal mandate means that provinces must cover "medically necessary" hospital services and services performed by a doctor. This may sound pretty comprehensive, but what is "medically necessary" is usually defined at the provincial level. Moreover, what is defined as medically necessary can be — and has been — changed to lessen the number of procedures covered by the state. This, in effect, puts that procedure or product into the realm of the private sector.

And there are some big holes in coverage in government healthcare in Canada that may surprise advocates for "socialized medicine" in America. In Canada, patients must rely primarily on private insurance for prescription medications, dental care, physiotherapy, ambulance services, prescription eyeglasses and other procedures deemed to experimental to too costly to be covered by government facilities. Moreover, long-term care is "practically invisible at the federal level," and, "the majority of mental health services do not meet the eligibility requirement of 'medically necessary.' Unless received in a hospital, psychological services must be paid for out-of-pocket or covered by private third-party insurance."”


Bernie says he wants to cover everything! Yet compares his future costs to Canada’s system. His first and outright lie. For some reason people think Canada pays for everything, they pay for about 65% of total health care costs. Something he conveniently leaves out when referencing their structure.

Yet even though he cites Canada wants to cover everything.


On his own website: Bernie Sanders on Healthcare

“Medicare for All will pay healthcare providers for visits, tests, and procedures according to a set schedule of prices. We know this system works because that’s how it works with the highly popular Medicare system that we have now. Medicare For All would use the same framework as Medicare, but expand it to cover more people and more health services. Private health insurers can offer coverage for services not covered by Medicare For All, such as elective cosmetic surgeries. Everyone will be covered and can get the care that they need when they need it.”



He adds a small tidbit referencing the other 35% of costs and states they’ll be “cosmetic surgeries.”

“Private health insurers can offer coverage for services not covered by Medicare For All, such as elective cosmetic surgeries.“


Referencing 35% of all other costs under the category of “cosmetic surgeries” is incredibly and purposefully fraudulent. :stopitslime:


So to wrap it up. The universal healthcare he cites in other countries isn’t the same “universal healthcare” he’s promising the ppl. The other countries cover much less than he wants to cover.


Then he uses the current Medicare coverage metrics that cover 65-75% of procedures and extrapolates that number to get his number of $30 trillion, failing to account for the other 25-35% he says is going to “be covered”. Dudes a liar flat out.

The numbers don’t add up. :francis:
This is what's covered under the bill. What is not covered under Medicare for all that is covered under private insurance now? What is missing from this section of the bill?

Text - S.1129 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Medicare for All Act of 2019

SEC. 201. COMPREHENSIVE BENEFITS.
42 U.S.C. 1396d(r))).

42 U.S.C. 1396d(a));

(B) home and community-based services described in subsection (c)(4)(B) of section 1915 of the Social Security Act (including habilitation services defined in subsection (c)(5) of such section);

(C) self-directed home and community-based services described in subsection (i) of section 1915 of the Social Security Act;

(D) self-directed personal assistance services (as defined in subsection (j)(4)(A) of section 1915 of the Social Security Act); and

(E) home and community-based attendant services and supports described in subsection (k) of section 1915 of the Social Security Act.
 

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Yang and Amy...


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This is what's covered under the bill. What is not covered under Medicare for all that is covered under private insurance now? What is missing from this section of the bill?

Text - S.1129 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Medicare for All Act of 2019

SEC. 201. COMPREHENSIVE BENEFITS.
42 U.S.C. 1396d(r))).

42 U.S.C. 1396d(a));

(B) home and community-based services described in subsection (c)(4)(B) of section 1915 of the Social Security Act (including habilitation services defined in subsection (c)(5) of such section);

(C) self-directed home and community-based services described in subsection (i) of section 1915 of the Social Security Act;

(D) self-directed personal assistance services (as defined in subsection (j)(4)(A) of section 1915 of the Social Security Act); and

(E) home and community-based attendant services and supports described in subsection (k) of section 1915 of the Social Security Act.
(1) Hospital services, including inpatient and outpatient hospital care, including 24-hour-a-day emergency services and inpatient prescription drugs.

42 U.S.C. 1396d(r))).

(9) Oral health, audiology, and vision services.

(10) Short-term rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices.

(11) Emergency services and transportation.

(12) Necessary transportation to receive health care services for individuals with disabilities and low-income individuals.

(13) Home and community-based long-term services and supports (to be provided in accordance with the requirements for home and community-based settings under sections 441.530 and 441.710 of title 42, Code of Federal Regulations), including—
 

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Bunch of snowflakes! :mjlol: If Biden is the nominee what do they think that idiot Trump is going to do?! :gucci:

Just said on Twitter that Dems must not realize what Trump and Fox News will do to the candidates once they clap down. They're about to be bytching right through 2020. Soft mofos.
 

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This is what's covered under the bill. What is not covered under Medicare for all that is covered under private insurance now? What is missing from this section of the bill?

Text - S.1129 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Medicare for All Act of 2019

SEC. 201. COMPREHENSIVE BENEFITS.
42 U.S.C. 1396d(r))).

42 U.S.C. 1396d(a));

(B) home and community-based services described in subsection (c)(4)(B) of section 1915 of the Social Security Act (including habilitation services defined in subsection (c)(5) of such section);

(C) self-directed home and community-based services described in subsection (i) of section 1915 of the Social Security Act;

(D) self-directed personal assistance services (as defined in subsection (j)(4)(A) of section 1915 of the Social Security Act); and

(E) home and community-based attendant services and supports described in subsection (k) of section 1915 of the Social Security Act.
dont even bother dude is gaslighting
 
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