Official 2020 Democratic Primary Debate Thread

Warren Moon

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So you've compared what's covered in the bill to some of the current health insurance plans that are out there and the private plans cover more? Could you link me to the plan you looked at so I can confirm for myself?

3 Ways Bernie-Care Makes Canadian Healthcare Look Good in Comparison | Ryan McMaken

Good article to understand it


In the current state Medicare Advantage ran by health plans covers more than Medicare.


Canada doesn’t cover experimental treatments


Since the beginning, the Canada Health Act, including its subsequent revised versions, places much of the control over healthcare coverage at the provincial level. In other words, the "details of how each system operates, including what is covered and how, is determined provincially."

The federal mandate means that provinces must cover "medically necessary" hospital services and services performed by a doctor. This may sound pretty comprehensive, but what is "medically necessary" is usually defined at the provincial level. Moreover, what is defined as medically necessary can be — and has been — changed to lessen the number of procedures covered by the state. This, in effect, puts that procedure or product into the realm of the private sector.

And there are some big holes in coverage in government healthcare in Canada that may surprise advocates for "socialized medicine" in America. In Canada, patients must rely primarily on private insurance for prescription medications, dental care, physiotherapy, ambulance services, prescription eyeglasses and other procedures deemed to experimental to too costly to be covered by government facilities. Moreover, long-term care is "practically invisible at the federal level," and, "the majority of mental health services do not meet the eligibility requirement of 'medically necessary.' Unless received in a hospital, psychological services must be paid for out-of-pocket or covered by private third-party insurance."”


Bernie says he wants to cover everything! Yet compares his future costs to Canada’s system. His first and outright lie. For some reason people think Canada pays for everything, they pay for about 65% of total health care costs. Something he conveniently leaves out when referencing their structure.

Yet even though he cites Canada wants to cover everything.


On his own website: Bernie Sanders on Healthcare

“Medicare for All will pay healthcare providers for visits, tests, and procedures according to a set schedule of prices. We know this system works because that’s how it works with the highly popular Medicare system that we have now. Medicare For All would use the same framework as Medicare, but expand it to cover more people and more health services. Private health insurers can offer coverage for services not covered by Medicare For All, such as elective cosmetic surgeries. Everyone will be covered and can get the care that they need when they need it.”



He adds a small tidbit referencing the other 35% of costs and states they’ll be “cosmetic surgeries.”

“Private health insurers can offer coverage for services not covered by Medicare For All, such as elective cosmetic surgeries.“


Referencing 35% of all other costs under the category of “cosmetic surgeries” is incredibly and purposefully fraudulent. :stopitslime:


So to wrap it up. The universal healthcare he cites in other countries isn’t the same “universal healthcare” he’s promising the ppl. The other countries cover much less than he wants to cover.


Then he uses the current Medicare coverage metrics that cover 65-75% of procedures and extrapolates that number to get his number of $30 trillion, failing to account for the other 25-35% he says is going to “be covered”. Dudes a liar flat out.

The numbers don’t add up. :francis:
 

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DNC needs to narrow the next debate down to 6 and tell everybody else they done: Biden, Warren, Bernie, Kamala, Cory, Castro.
They’re not kicking Pete or Beto out just yet, furthermore, while I like Castro, no objective data would warrant him being in a debate over those two, they’re both polling higher than him and booker
 

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Warren - Weak performance in the beginning but finished strong. Didn't wash Biden. No debate bump for her. Can't disappear like that in the general.
Bernie - stayed number 2. That's great. I want to see him retake the lead. no damage tho
Biden - Came out firery and then sputtered. Need to see the same energy for 2-3 hours
Beto - should get the bump needed finally, but it may be too late. great answer at points
Buttigeg - solid performance. he could be a dark horse pick at the convention
Yang - Spoke from the heart, should expand his platform abit.
Castro - Hit biden hard. Maybe too hard for some older folks. Needs to be careful on immigration. Otherwise well done.
Booker - Showed up late again but showed out. He should be higher in the polls, whats holding him back?
Klobuchar - I expected better from cop #1. Lot's of excuses and "we can't do this". She needs a better debate plan.
Harris - What can I say? Cop #2 dropped the ball. Bad answer on her record again and laughing. She can rebound but the plane is about to take off...

Winner? Biden early, Warren late.

@storyteller can't wait to see what you think tomorrow.
 

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I think Castro OD’ed on the forget thing...I’m kinda sensitive to that because my grandma had Alzheimer’s and it’s not funny or something to joke abiut. while I don’t want a pres with Alzheimer’s, Biden just might be on the path and people throwing shots like that is kinda fukked up
 
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i think biden looked horrible tonight and i think that's why they were giving really low tier centrists a lot of speaking time despite their 1% polling rate because warren/bernie are a nightmare to the establishment.

He’s look the same as always. Starts strong and then flops. The fact he didn’t have a mike jones “joe 30330 hit me on the low” moment is good. And he blathered his way so much during that old reparations quote that people are gonna ignore it
 

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Biden, Bernie, Warren, Pete and Yang
I don't see anything in them.
They’re not kicking Pete or Beto out just yet, furthermore, while I like Castro, no objective data would warrant him being in a debate over those two, they’re both polling higher than him and booker
I chose Castro because he's a better debater to me and he can better challenge the other candidates on stage, which can generate better discussion. Beto is good when it's time to talk emotional/social topics. Other than that he's :thumbsdown:
 
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